New to Type 2

VinnyJames

Well-Known Member
Messages
624
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi guys,
Am 4 weeks into my diagnosis and been trying to read loads and ask other people stuff but I've ended up with conflicting advice right down to my Metformin dosage between the GP and the diabetic nurse. I took the Diabetes nurse's advice as she is twice his age and a specialist. Am taking Metformin SR 1000mg OD.
The nurse herself is lovely and advised me against HBG self-testing but I think it would be useful to identify what foods might trigger a spike in levels. Any thoughts? I've quit sugar and I'm exercising most days. I'm only early 40's, highly motivated, slightly overweight but won't be in 3 months :lol:
I'm an info junkie but that's been a hindrance the last 4 weeks as I'm getting info off insulin dependent people which is not relevant to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction please??
 

daisy1

Legend
Messages
26,457
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Cruelty towards animals.
Hi Vinny and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions if you need to and someone will come and help. You are right about self testing - it is recommended to see which foods you can eat. You don't just need to cut out sugar but need to reduce carby foods too.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Daibell

Master
Messages
12,656
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
HI. You need to bear in mind that your nurse is advising against doing your own testing due to cost to the NHS. Most of us on the forum who have diabetes self-test. As you say, how else can you know what foods affect you and by how much. So do get hold of a meter and I'm afraid you will have to buy your own test strips; try the web. You need to be aware that as a T2 the main way to control your blood sugar is by controlling your carb intake and not just sugar as sugar is just another carb. Daisy has provided useful info and links. Metformin doses are not critical, but I'm not suggesting you change without discussion with the nurse. Metformin only has a small effect on blood sugar even at the max, 2000mg dose. It helps most for T2s who are overweight as it helps reduce insulin resistance amongst other things. So, try setting a daily carb intake total of, perhaps, 150gm and see how your weight and blood sugar goes. Good luck.
 

sugartoohigh

Well-Known Member
Messages
73
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Dislikes
Potatoes & rice, so no problem there then :)
Vinny I've found some of the same problems with advice,but this site is openning my eyes thankfully.Good luck
 

samfeb

Newbie
Messages
4
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Thanks Daisy1 really good information.

I was diagnosed T2 in June this year and I spoke to my nurse who was a diabetic specialist nurse, first thing she gave me was a meter reading machine free with just enough strips to test my blood. She also told me that being Diabetic I don't need to pay for any NHS Prescriptions anymore so I can get the testing strips and the sterile lancets that go in the pen to pierce your skin are all available on prescription. I assumed that everybody got given a machine when diagnosed. My nurse also told me to test my blood sugars twice a week.

Sam


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
 

sugartoohigh

Well-Known Member
Messages
73
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Dislikes
Potatoes & rice, so no problem there then :)
samfeb69 your lucky I asked my doctor and he told me I didn't need one.I then later asked my nurse who told me they don't like giving testers out as its no good if you aren't qualified to understand them.Guess what I'm buying one this weekend.Stick with yours I'm sure it will be of use.
 

mentat

Well-Known Member
Messages
419
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
VinnyJames,


Your average blood sugar level is quite strongly correlated with risk of complications. The standard test of this is called HbA1c and gives you a good indication of your average sugar over the last 3 months. This is how you see how well your diabetes management is going. The aim of diabetes management is to get a good HbA1c.

The test you do at home, the blood glucose test, is a different test that tells you what the level of blood in your sugar is right now. This is more useful for "fine-tuning" and to give you a rough idea of how things are going between HbA1c tests.

As an info junkie you should be careful to avoid being obsessive about your sugars. Some people can achieve a good HbA1c simply by exercising more and losing weight, and/or medication. In this case you don't really need to test your sugar regularly! However, if your HbA1c is on the high side it may well be helpful for you to monitor your sugar before and after meals to help monitor how you respond to certain foods, or identify when you should get some exercise to bring your sugar down.

There are lots of different ways to combat Type 2, some of them are polar opposites of each other! I think that it depends a lot on your genes and body type, so you just need to give them a shot and see how they work for you. There's lots of information available on the internet, the low carb approach is popular (I'm type 1 and low carbing!) but here is a different idea you may find interesting.
 

VinnyJames

Well-Known Member
Messages
624
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
That reply Mentat is excellent more useful than anything I've read so far. It absolutely puts into context what the nurse was saying to me and now everything makes sense (well a lot of things)!
Am obsessing on low carbs now as I walk 10 miles a week and cycle 20 :eek:

Gotta learn to love eggs lol........