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Nick4344

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Hi. Last Friday I got the results of my last two hba1c readings - 47 and 49. So I got the news that I am type 2.

I decided to take the bull by the horns and go straight onto the Fast800 diet. However I also read positive reviews about a 3 day fast. So I went down the route of a 3 day fast before I start the fast800.

So it’s Tuesday evening. I last had something to eat on Sunday evening. I don’t feel too bad. Tired but no significant hunger pains - it’s more the routine of eating that I am missing rather than the food itself.

I wanted some advice really. The 3 day fasting information I’ve read said it can reset metabolisms, type 2, fatty liver and auto immune diseases etc. Does anybody have any personal experience?

Also I took 2 blood sugar readings today, bearing in mind I’ve had no food at all since Sunday and been drinking water or Diet Coke.

This morning at 9am my blood sugar reading was 7.7. This evening at 20:15 it was 5.8. I don’t know of this is good or bad given I’ve had no food.

Thanks for reading.
 
Without being negative you may find slamming from normal eating straight into fasting /800 diet a bit of a body shock. Be careful.

A 47 and a 49 don't really make you t2. You are so close to the edge as to not be too far down the rabbit hole.

I was 47 and took that down to 31 with diet and exercise.
 
Thanks. I’ve done 2 days without eating now so will do the last day and take it from there. Glad you were able to get your reduction
 
I eat in a restricted time window usually fast for 17 hours and eat in a 7 hour window every day and do some extended fasts. It won't do you any harm to start with a 3 day one but I would have thought it quite hard pre low carb. Well done for keeping it up.

As for the Fast 800... hmm I'm not a fan and found that by reducing the eating window and eating a very low carb diet I got all of the benefits without the hunger. I find excessing caloric restriction (effectively a crash diet) not a great idea. They never have been and I always worry what will happen when you start to eat "proper" food again.

You are on the cusp of pre-diabetes and full T2 so I reckon with some dietary changes you could get back down to normal again without starving yourself... do you have weight to lose?
 
Hi. I’m around 14 and a half stone and 5 foot 9. I could lose some. I thought the fast 800 was about the intermittent fasting you mentioned?
 
Nick4344 said:
Hi. I’m around 14 and a half stone and 5 foot 9. I could lose some. I thought the fast 800 was about the intermittent fasting you mentioned?
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Its the 800 cals thing I think is quite dangerous.. unless I have mistaken what you mean.. its Moseley's new money generator no?
 
I was able to go from Hba1c of 91 to 47 in 80 days just eating low carb, so I don't think that you need to be all that harsh really.
On the first two days I ate meat - a couple of chops I think, one on each day, then had a bit of salad, a few mushrooms, or sweet pepper, until I began to feel that my glucose reserves were depleted. Some people call this carb flu, I call it time to eat a bit of something to stop the wobbles.
Coffee with cream became my drink of choice, I had under 50 gm of carbs a day and my blood glucose began to normalize almost at once. I was - according to the GP a very bad diabetic, so it shows just what a powerful tool is for type twos lucky enough to respond well to the low carb way of eating. It is LCHF - high fat - which means eating the fats which come with your meat or fish, rather than going for lean cuts and removing the skin etc. Fats are actually an essential part of our diet.
As you seem to be seeing normal blood glucose levels, then I don't see the need for further fasting.
 
Resurgam said:
I was able to go from Hba1c of 91 to 47 in 80 days just eating low carb, so I don't think that you need to be all that harsh really.
On the first two days I ate meat - a couple of chops I think, one on each day, then had a bit of salad, a few mushrooms, or sweet pepper, until I began to feel that my glucose reserves were depleted. Some people call this carb flu, I call it time to eat a bit of something to stop the wobbles.
Coffee with cream became my drink of choice, I had under 50 gm of carbs a day and my blood glucose began to normalize almost at once. I was - according to the GP a very bad diabetic, so it shows just what a powerful tool is for type twos lucky enough to respond well to the low carb way of eating. It is LCHF - high fat - which means eating the fats which come with your meat or fish, rather than going for lean cuts and removing the skin etc. Fats are actually an essential part of our diet.
As you seem to be seeing normal blood glucose levels, then I don't see the need for further fasting.
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The 3 days fast appears to have other health benefits from what I’ve read which what made me try it. I’ve flirted with low carb diets for years - Atkins mainly - but it’s not sustainable to me as it causes unwanted side effects. The 800 cals a day (for the first 2 weeks only on the fast 800) appeals as it gives more variety.

How did you know your glucose levels were depleted?

Well done on your hba1c reduction.
 
bulkbiker said:
Its the 800 cals thing I think is quite dangerous.. unless I have mistaken what you mean.. its Moseley's new money generator no?
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Yes that’s right. It’s an 8 week programme with the intermittent fasting being a constant and the 800 cals for the first 2 weeks after which you keep the intermittent fasting but switch to a 5:2 approach on the 800 cals
 
Nick4344 said:
How did you know your glucose levels were depleted?
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One of the simplest guides is your fasting blood glucose level.
Glucose is stored around the body in a couple of ways as well as the liver making some. First thing before the liver kicks in your blood will have any overspill floating around.
If that is high then your body still has glucose it needs to process.

It's not a definitive marker but it certainly is the level most on here use. I think the longest threads (time and post count) are the morning blood glucose threads.
 
Spl@ said:
One of the simplest guides is your fasting blood glucose level.
Glucose is stored around the body in a couple of ways as well as the liver making some. First thing before the liver kicks in your blood will have any overspill floating around.
If that is high then your body still has glucose it needs to process.

It's not a definitive marker but it certainly is the level most on here use. I think the longest threads (time and post count) are the morning blood glucose threads.
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Thanks
 
Nick4344 said:
Hi. Last Friday I got the results of my last two hba1c readings - 47 and 49. So I got the news that I am type 2.

I decided to take the bull by the horns and go straight onto the Fast800 diet. However I also read positive reviews about a 3 day fast. So I went down the route of a 3 day fast before I start the fast800.

So it’s Tuesday evening. I last had something to eat on Sunday evening. I don’t feel too bad. Tired but no significant hunger pains - it’s more the routine of eating that I am missing rather than the food itself.

I wanted some advice really. The 3 day fasting information I’ve read said it can reset metabolisms, type 2, fatty liver and auto immune diseases etc. Does anybody have any personal experience?

Also I took 2 blood sugar readings today, bearing in mind I’ve had no food at all since Sunday and been drinking water or Diet Coke.

This morning at 9am my blood sugar reading was 7.7. This evening at 20:15 it was 5.8. I don’t know of this is good or bad given I’ve had no food.

Thanks for reading.
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Morning! I was diagnosed last November - no idea what my hbaic was as the doctor didn't tell me. I only found out it existed because of reading posts on here. I did a lot of research about diet and diabetes and I settled on the 8 weeks, 800 calorie diet; another one of Michael Mosley's. I followed it religiosly (for 6 weeks). The prolem with it is that, although my fasting blood sugars very quickly reduced (as did my weight) and are now rarely over 4.6, I was getting hungry! This meant that there was always the temptation to snack, usually late at night. I started increasing the calories but really cutting down on the carbs, sticking to around 40g per day and never from bread, spuds, pasta and rice!. I also began breaking a long established habit of eating fats, something that I have grown up thinking is bad and it was, therefore, a hard habit to brerak. But, do you know what? It works - low carb, high fat really works. As other responders have said, I have also reduced my eating 'window' but his has happened naturally and without conscious effort on my part and without giving up a regular meal. Mr Mosley does have some very tasty recipes in his Blood Sugar Diet book but I am using these as part of rather than a complete meal. I don't think I could stick to a three day fast but wish you sucess with your eating regime and truly hope that you can find you way to full health. Peace and happiness to you xx
 
LindsayJane said:
Morning! I was diagnosed last November - no idea what my hbaic was as the doctor didn't tell me. I only found out it existed because of reading posts on here. I did a lot of research about diet and diabetes and I settled on the 8 weeks, 800 calorie diet; another one of Michael Mosley's. I followed it religiosly (for 6 weeks). The prolem with it is that, although my fasting blood sugars very quickly reduced (as did my weight) and are now rarely over 4.6, I was getting hungry! This meant that there was always the temptation to snack, usually late at night. I started increasing the calories but really cutting down on the carbs, sticking to around 40g per day and never from bread, spuds, pasta and rice!. I also began breaking a long established habit of eating fats, something that I have grown up thinking is bad and it was, therefore, a hard habit to brerak. But, do you know what? It works - low carb, high fat really works. As other responders have said, I have also reduced my eating 'window' but his has happened naturally and without conscious effort on my part and without giving up a regular meal. Mr Mosley does have some very tasty recipes in his Blood Sugar Diet book but I am using these as part of rather than a complete meal. I don't think I could stick to a three day fast but wish you sucess with your eating regime and truly hope that you can find you way to full health. Peace and happiness to you xx
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Thanks Lindsay. I’m hoping to emulate your success.
 
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