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Newcastle Diet question

MCMLXXIII said:
Pardon me but what do you mean by "oil?"
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A small amount of oil oil, or butter, coconut oil added to veg serving as either a salad dressing, or to stirfry veg a teaspoonful a day is enough.


Edit; details are in the booklet I linked earlier.
 
Official advice is still fixated on low calorie, which never worked for me or for many others. I think the Newcastle Diet smuggles in low carb by describing it only as "low calorie". And the results from the original trial were reported in a very misleading manner - they kept eliminating everyone who'd dropped out of the trial to inflate the "success" figures.

This is what I posted on the subject in 2024 - I still can't find the thread on the study itself:

There is a much longer thread on the research (and its very low success rate) somewhere on the forum - can't find it at the minute. I notice that the study published in the Lancet again muddies the waters by omitting from the percentage calculations the 45% of the sample who dropped out of the trial part way through and only reports "success" against the people completing it. So - out of 1740 who started, 945 completed the programme and, of these, 145 had two HbA1c measures of less than 48. That's just over 8% of the starting group.
 
MCMLXXIII said:
That's scandalous! They fudged the figures!?
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Not exactly fudged, although it is a very clear example of a calculated use of "survivor bias". However - the corruption of proper science in recent years has led to a lot of papers and entire journals being withdrawn. We are indebted to a forum member called Oldvatr, no longer with us, who was good at dismantling this sort of stuff.

It happens all the time. The results are quoted in full in the published research, which is why we can calculate the actual outcomes. They had breakpoints during the program probably because they realised the high drop-out rate would affect the result. This however allowed them to derive a "success" figure using the previous breakpoint as a baseline, rather than the starting cohort, which is what we'd be interested in.

All that's really needed, though, is to produce a press release claiming "36% success", which the media will print uncritically, and most people reading it will never look at the actual published paper. You can't be accused of fudging the figures based on what the media report. It's one reason why I don't ever take a press/media report at face value.

For a fun read about how this works from the media side, I'd recommend this link:

gizmodo.com

I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss. Here's How.

“Slim by Chocolate!” the headlines blared. A team of German researchers had found that people on a low-carb diet lost weight 10 percent faster if they ate
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Day 1. Had a mahoosive blowout at the Italian on food and drink yesterday night (it was my wedding anniversary) and started the diet this morning.
Meal replacement shake. 500ml 400 calories made with zero sugar almond milk. Can use water if I want.
Interesting I took a pre meal blood glucose reading this afternoon before the 2nd shake and it was 6.8 mmol. Ha d a couple of baby plum tomatoes and some I had dehydrated so I probably just tipped my 800 calorie allowance today.Bit light headed before bed but I reckon that's the brain saying oi oi where's my beer?.
 
Well day 3..
2 hours after eating and my sugar is 5.2.
Not going to deny I do feel very hungry though.
 
Instead of your dehydrated "snack" could you try a high volume, low calorie dinner/tea instead? Lots of stirfry veg or salad leaves/cucumber etc? A big bag of lettuce can be under well under 100cals
 
Well after 1 week on the Newcastle Diet I'm not going to deny it's bloody difficult. Mainly cravings for crisps, which were my downfall.
However I have lost 3kg and my best blood sugar was 4.8 so at least the hard work is paying off.
 
MCMLXXIII said:
Well after 1 week on the Newcastle Diet I'm not going to deny it's bloody difficult. Mainly cravings for crisps, which were my downfall.
However I have lost 3kg and my best blood sugar was 4.8 so at least the hard work is paying off.
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Are you testing for ketones in urine, @MCMLXXIII ?
Once you are into ketosis levels ( fat burning for energy) you should not feel hungry. This is achieved by the meal replacement products being low carb as well as low calorie.
 
Question please people, but please don't strike me down if it appears reckless.
I've lost almost 4kg so far and admittedly having a wedding anniversary in the middle of this wasn't the best idea so I did get a little tipsy.
It's not the easiest diet to manage because of cravings which I've tried to ignore or substitute for something green and leafy.
I'm on Dapagolfozin and 1000mg Metformin SR at present and taking daily blood tests has resulted in an average result of 5.7 mmol.
I know this is no hb1ac but I'd really like to stop taking Dapagolfozin because of a personal side effect and give this whole thing a run for its money.
Ido take Berberine, Butter Melon and Gymnea Sylvester, drink Matcha regularly and Have a spoonful of Moringa each morning.
Am I daft to quit the prescribed meds? I don't feel they're doing much for me if I'm honest but I'm not medically trained so just wondering if that's prudent or outlandish behaviour.

Thankyou
 
@MCMLXXIII .
I have to refer back to an earlier post in this thread, and repeat the message.
None of our member , regardless of whether or not they are medically qualified are able to advise on medication changes. I reiterate, you need to seek the advice from your GP or nurse.
 
MCMLXXIII said:
I've lost almost 4kg so far and admittedly having a wedding anniversary in the middle of this wasn't the best idea so I did get a little tipsy.
It's not the easiest diet to manage because of cravings which I've tried to ignore or substitute for something green and leafy.
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The cravings will occur if you veer from the recommended method for this way of eating.
Cravings won’t occur if you keep to the very low calorie method, as that will induce ketosis. (Fat burning mode). This also stops you feeling hungry.

The 4kg loss might be encouraging for you, but….Are you sure, the method is suiting you?

When I used the ND I did not feel hungry or get any cravings at all after the first day. I had used a Total Food Replacement method, with only the meal replacement products. The main difficulty I had was the social occasions where people seem to think they can advise, on what I could eat. The “just one day off” comments were so annoying, but I knew if I did take their advice, it would ruin my plan.
 
Pipp said:
The cravings will occur if you veer from the recommended method for this way of eating.
Cravings won’t occur if you keep to the very low calorie method, as that will induce ketosis. (Fat burning mode). This also stops you feeling hungry.

The 4kg loss might be encouraging for you, but….Are you sure, the method is suiting you?

When I used the ND I did not feel hungry or get any cravings at all after the first day. I had used a Total Food Replacement method, with only the meal replacement products. The main difficulty I had was the social occasions where people seem to think they can advise, on what I could eat. The “just one day off” comments were so annoying, but I knew if I did take their advice, it would ruin my plan.
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Did you get the results you desired from it and may I ask if you're taking anything at present? Forgive me if that's too personal and discard.
 
MCMLXXIII said:
Question please people, but please don't strike me down if it appears reckless.
I've lost almost 4kg so far and admittedly having a wedding anniversary in the middle of this wasn't the best idea so I did get a little tipsy.
It's not the easiest diet to manage because of cravings which I've tried to ignore or substitute for something green and leafy.
I'm on Dapagolfozin and 1000mg Metformin SR at present and taking daily blood tests has resulted in an average result of 5.7 mmol.
I know this is no hb1ac but I'd really like to stop taking Dapagolfozin because of a personal side effect and give this whole thing a run for its money.
Ido take Berberine, Butter Melon and Gymnea Sylvester, drink Matcha regularly and Have a spoonful of Moringa each morning.
Am I daft to quit the prescribed meds? I don't feel they're doing much for me if I'm honest but I'm not medically trained so just wondering if that's prudent or outlandish behaviour.

Thankyou
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Can't really answer that for you. I need to say I don't have any relevant experience as I have never taken any diabetic-related meds. I don't know anything about the supplements either, as the same lack of personal experience applies.

What I would say is that if you are thinking about or going to reduce or stop your meds, you really must talk this over with your medical team - diabetic nurse, GP, whoever.

One thing - "averaging" your fingerprick readings isn't always the best thing to do. What I learnt most from was the extremes - why is it higher/lower than I expected? Your testing pattern, if based around food, may also be missing highs and lows elsewhere, thanks to your liver's activities, which will be partially suppressed by the metformin.
 
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