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Newly diagnosed, 82 HbA1c 82 MMOL/MOL
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The Hi-Lo just tastes like normal, decent wholemeal bread.
6.5 sounds pretty good - certainly a lot better than my 11.9 this morning!
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I usually have a loaf of Hi Lo in the freezer. It last me months a slice or two at a time. The other reason for it being in there other than longevity is the hope that the practice of freezing and reheating starch can increase the amount of it that is resistant and thus causes a lower rise of bgl. It might not be much but it all helps. Hence I only ever eat the bread toasted for the reheating part.
I’ve just found “be free high protein wrap“ at Sainsbury’s. They are in the gluten free section. Be care as there’s a few versions and only one is low carb the others are as high as normal wraps. (Very!) They are also very expensive at 4 times the price of Sainsbury’s own normal ones but useful for a change once in a blue moon
I’ve just found “be free high protein wrap“ at Sainsbury’s. They are in the gluten free section. Be care as there’s a few versions and only one is low carb the others are as high as normal wraps. (Very!) They are also very expensive at 4 times the price of Sainsbury’s own normal ones but useful for a change once in a blue moon
Thank You for the tips guys, I will definitely try out the Hi Lo bread, I only eat a slice every other day so it will go to waste. But i will try the freezing method. I guess take it out the freezer and out a slice in the toaster should work.
Now a question for the boffins, why is the morning number hardest to bring down? Is it because my liver or my organs are full of fat over the years and it's slowly depleting it's storage tank of sugar? And as my belly goes down the viscerol fat goes down and hence why all medics say loose weight immediately after your diagnosed. Am I talking rubbish or is this a fair analogy?
Now a question for the boffins, why is the morning number hardest to bring down? Is it because my liver or my organs are full of fat over the years and it's slowly depleting it's storage tank of sugar? And as my belly goes down the viscerol fat goes down and hence why all medics say loose weight immediately after your diagnosed. Am I talking rubbish or is this a fair analogy?
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Yep from freezer tot toaster works for me.
and yep that’s not a bad way to express part of it. Also all your cells are insulin resistant too and it takes time to undo what took years to get that way. Even those that don’t have a big belly to get rid of or lots of excess weight still have cells that resist the effects of insulin. In fact for those that are really overweight it seems more likely that weight loss and modest card reduction is all it takes whereas those with less obvious weight issues often struggle and have to reduce carbs a lot more and still end up a bit higher than the former group. I firmly believe type 2 is a bit of a catch all group of closely related conditions with some variance in cause (diet, weight, genetics etc in varying proportion) and treatment, some studies support this.
Did a experiment. Before dinner 6. Had high carb dinner one naan bread and with a medium size portion of kidney beans curry. 45 minutes latter 7.4. Went for a 20 minute brisk walk measure again 2 hours after dinner 11.
HSSS
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So were you testing the walk or the food? Doing both means you can’t separate the effects of either. That said a rise of 5 doesn’t look like it was a good experiment for you. 45mins might have been approaching the peak of the meal and then the briskness of the walk caused a glucose dump. Or it could be the meal was still rising and had a long way to go yet and the walk actually helped. No way to know unless you know what that meal does to you on its own.
Liking your description I keep hearing being active is key. Is that the wrong thing to do by going for a walk after dinner? I'm getting more and more confused.
Lobsang Tsultim
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Diet is the key. Exercise can help. But in the short term, exercise often causes a rise in blood sugar levels particularly if it’s vigorous or we’re unfit. By having a high carb meal to test its effect AND exercising as well, you don’t know where the observed high levels come from. Was it the food, or the exercise or both?
Remember back to your school science days, when you do an experiment, you only change one variable at a time to be able to isolate, identify and find correlations, causes and results.
Remember back to your school science days, when you do an experiment, you only change one variable at a time to be able to isolate, identify and find correlations, causes and results.
Morning number 6.8, now going g on a fast and I usually eat mid day. Am I doing this wrong?
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I’m not saying going for a walk is wrong at all. It is good. But if you are trying to assess what the food does for you it muddies the water on that particular occasion because you then do t know what is causing what response on your meter. So test the walk (with the meter) after a meal you know your response to having previously tested that alone in the meter. Then you’ll know how all the variables work for you. Eg you’ll know a half hour brisk walk has a ballpark lowering effect of X mmol. The walk is also good in the long term for improving fitness and increasing insulin sensitivity but they won’t show on a meter right now.
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Have you been doing any fasting so far? How do you feel during and after it? How much have you read about intermittent fasting?
I ask because fasting gets much easier once established in low carb and the carb cravings have gone and you are regularly eating more filling and nutritious meals - and it’s only been a couple, of weeks for you so far. So if it’s difficult then don’t try to make them too long just yet, even 12hrs is a good place to start. Slowly extend them and avoid snacking. And make sure you still get all the food, protein etc you need from the remaining meals. It’s about condensing much the same eating into smaller windows, not about starving.
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Don't worry or panic. Just as Type 2 takes years, if not decades, to develop it will take time for you to work out what is best for your body. And, indeed, as your body adjusts so what suits in the beginning may need adapting or changing later.
Don't try to do everything all at once but keep reading and learning and you will get there.
Nothing drastically bad will happen if you don't get perfect control instantly. The bad complications can take years to develop. Your not going to lose an eye or a limb overnight... or not to diabetes anyway. I can't speak for the bus that may run you over!
You're doing well, it's major changes, take it easy on yourself
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Guys for those on metformin and another drug does it actually work to lower levels? Many on this forum turned it around naturally and kudos to them. Can we have examples of people who turned it around on medication at least I know that is then a last resort
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Metformin will not turn anything around, if you can tolerate it, it will help a little but it will not get you into remission. The other more aggressive drugs that actively reduce blood sugar levels are only relieving the symptom of T2, not solving your problem or turning anything around.
The problem is your insulin resistance, the more carbs you eat, the more insulin your pancreas is forced to produce, extra insulin circulating means you body gets less sensitive to it.
Reduce the carbs and you need less insulin, less insulin circulating will hopefully improve your sensitivity to insulin and eventually turn things around.
T2's who rely solely on drugs will progressively get worse and require more and more drugs until their pancreas gives in and they need insulin.
That's why T2 is considered as a progressive condition by most Dr's
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Metformin helps a little with insulin sensitivity (makes it work a little bit better). It also reduces the amount of Glucose your liver excretes, so your levels are more based on whats eaten, rather than self produced glucose. There is evidence that it also has some benefits regarding cardiovascular health. ( the only reason i still take it, and my doctor advises, for that reason)
If your body can tolerate it, then it is a relatively benign drug that does help, it doesn't perform miracles, but it also does no damage if tolerated.
It's like putting a very small amount of 2 stroke oil in a diesel cars fuel tank, it does nothing really noticeable, but the engine does run quieter.
If your body can tolerate it, then it is a relatively benign drug that does help, it doesn't perform miracles, but it also does no damage if tolerated.
It's like putting a very small amount of 2 stroke oil in a diesel cars fuel tank, it does nothing really noticeable, but the engine does run quieter.
