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Hi

My name is Graeme and I have been newly diagnosed with type 2. I have been given a pen thing and some books from my GP, and that is about it. I have done 3 tests and results were 15.7, 12.8, 15.6 respectively. I'm getting really worried because I've been told this is really high and I'm worried something really bad is going to happen to me. Anyone with any information for me would be very much appreciated :)

Ps I heard you can't have carbs etc, yet the drs leaflet said that's what I should eat. Terribly confused. :-/

Kind Regards

Graeme :)
 

sanguine

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Hi Graeme, welcome.

Yes it is confusing to all of us at first, but don't panic it can be managed. You do need to get those levels down however, the best way to start is to look at reducing carbs, despite what the leaflets say. Diabetics who follow the NHS advice tend tragically to be the ones who never control their levels and end up on more and more drugs. You want to be one of the others.

Have a read around and ask any questions.
 
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GregCanada

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I wish the doctors would say more about the variations in the measurements.

There's the level, and the range. I'm in a similar situation (diagnosed T2 October 22nd 2014).
I'll fluctuate by 1.5pts between pre-meal and post meal, which doesn't seem so bad but I have no reference to compare to.
My level is similair to yours (14). My diabetes dietician/counsellor has only requested a meeting in about a month's time, and a check up with the doctor at 3 months.

In the meantime, chatting with someone who has got it under control, food is your friend. Fasting to try and drive it lower quickly isn't going to work as your cells have got used to having the 14mmol/l in your blood, so will trigger the body to release sugar from storage so won't drop below the fasting level. Been there, done that, over the last few days. So you're not going to get to the 10mmol/l or less "soon". One graph I've seen shows that the medication should drift it down over months.

Food and blood tests seem to be about monitoring spikes, which you can blunt be eating often but small. That way the body isn't changing between accelerator and brake too quickly.

Irritatingly, I hike and weight train but have still ended up with T2, so my metabolic rate target is about 2900cal/day. I'm now aiming at 6 small meals a day, aiming at about 500 calories per meal, spaced by about 3 hours. Thoughts?
 

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Hello Graeme and welcome to the forum :)

Things will seem less scary once you know more about diabetes and what to do, and this you will learn from this forum. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

kimbo1962

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Hello Graeme- and welcome. Please keep posting and asking questions, have a good read around here, there is so much excellent information and advice with lovely folks to support you. I came here 18 weeks ago shocked and worried, now I am empowered and in control- all down to what I learnt here and the lovely folk that are in the same boat as us.
 
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Hi Graeme, and you've come to the right place. Lots to read in Daisy's welcome pack and was it really the middle of the night when you signed in or are you in a different time zone? Anyway I can identify with the desperation of the night.
@GregCanada welcome to you too, and if you could possibly edit & paste your post into a new one for just yourself? Then the people on here with the right knowledge can offer specific help.
 
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Hello Graeme and welcome,

It is very confusing at first. The NHS tells us one thing, and then we learn we ought to ignore it. However, you can now use your meter to find out who is right.

Random testing is useless. Test immediately before you eat. Then test again at 2 hours after your first bite. Look at the difference. This is the amount by which your meal raised your glucose levels. The amount of this rise should be as low as possible, ideally under 2mmol/l. Much more than that and there was something in that meal that was wrong for you, and we would all lay money on it being rice, bread, potatoes, pasta, cereals.. These are the carbs that we all need to be very careful with, despite what the NHS may say. Carbs convert to glucose once inside the system, and extra glucose is what we don't want. You can work it out for yourself.

Have a good read round and ask as many questions as you wish.
 
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Hi guys

Thank you for all your kind words and advice. I forgot to mention that my Liver is pretty damaged too, and I also suffer from depression and health anxiety. Bad combination I know. I did a test this morning and it was 9.8, I had two cups of tea (with sugar), and a bag of low fat crisps. It then shot up to 13.1. I had a jacket potato with curry for lunch, and an Apple. I feel bloody awful at present. I don't know whether it's my sugar levels , my anxiety disorder, or my thyroid problems (which I forgot to mention). There are so many conflictions I almost wish I was just put on some meds to help me. Trouble is my Liver may not be able to take it --/

Thanks

Graeme :)
 

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Hi Graeme,

It will take time to learn how best to get those levels down and to keep them down. Try not to get too anxious about it. Everything will fall into place soon.

You have learnt already that sugar in tea and a bag of crisps whether high or low fat will not do you any favours at all. Neither will a jacket potato I'm afraid. We also need to be careful with fruit, although some people can manage a small apple.

Cut out all sugar and sugary foods. This is essential.
Potatoes can be a poor choice for Type 2's, especially mashed and jackets. A couple of new spuds or a couple of small roast spuds would be a better choice. They all convert to glucose (sugar) once in the system. Rice, pasta, bread and cereals do the same.

Do use your meter to learn. As I said earlier, test immediately before you eat then again 2 hours after your first bite. Write down exactly what you ate, including portion sizes and drinks, and next to this record your before and after levels. If the difference between these two is much more than 2mmol/ls then you need to pay attention to that meal. Something in it will have caused that spike and will need either reducing in portion size or avoiding altogether.

Eat meat, fish, eggs, cheese, dairy foods (but not much milk), tomatoes, mushrooms, bacon, green veggies, salads, olive oil, berries (many other fruits have too much sugar in them)

If you are struggling to understand, you can post your levels and what you ate on here and we will help you.
 
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Hi Graeme ...welcome
It is a mind field of information and choice ..read and google there are many ways you can choose to help your health needs ...
My first goal was to work on my blood sugar levels which were high ....then I gradually made changes in my diet as well , think I will always be doing that depending on health needs ...but that is me ...you must do what is right for your own health needs ...
You have a lot to cope with ...you can ask to see a dietitian for some assistance ....some have found this helpful ..
Ask as many questions here as you want , support is available ....best wishes Kat ...let us know how you get one if you want to ....:)
 
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