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NEWS: More weight loss operations for diabetes

Discussion in 'Diabetes Soapbox - Have Your Say' started by Avocado Sevenfold, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. Scandichic

    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    But we don't need them. The metformin takes care of it all! :rolleyes:Yes the magic pill which allows us all to carry on stuffing our faces with cream cakes! :banghead:And in any case, you can't go hypo on it :hilarious: And we're all too fat and it's all our fault that we've got diabetes anyway! ;)
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised that they haven't blamed the immigrants! They usually do! Oh, and the unemployed too! :rolleyes:
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    No doubt she went on to state where she got her medical qualifications, too.........:hilarious:
    But then again..... Maybe not! o_O
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Booking my bed now!!!!!!:facepalm:
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Utterly appalling! Especially as people will follow her **** advice! Not surprised you were angry! I have just read the post and it made me fuming! :mad:
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My immediate response would have been:
    An "x" is a has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure!
    Better to be different rather than stupid! :banghead:
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad your diet works for you but I become very ill if I eat your diet! Bs in double figures! However, LCHF works for me and my bs has come down massively. I love this way of life and am hoping to maintain it for the rest of my life!
    I don't believe that one diet fits all and wish people luck with whatever they do to achieve better health.
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hilarious! Very imaginative post! :hilarious:
     
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    Pipp Type 2 · Expert
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    Looking at the title of the thread, does anyone else apart from me think that bariatric surgery being made the treatment of choice for T2 who are overweight is a form of assault?
    Controversial statement maybe, but it is being touted to people as an easy option. Gastric bypass surgery removes the future possibility of eating like the general population eat, at any time after the surgery. You need to take digestive enzymes, and cannot have a drink at the same time as your (miniscule) meal. I know of people who have had this surgery who have suffered psychological and physical problems after, even though their weight returns to 'normal', as do their blood glucose readings. They were not prepared for the drastic change to their body, body image, and other peoples' perceptions of them.

    I was offered bariatric surgery, almost bullied into having it, but refused and found an alternative way to reduce weight, after slavishly following the healthy eating, lots of carbs at every meal route as advised. Which as most of us acknowledge does not work.

    If the new suggestion of BMI30+ being the threshold weight for this surgery to become eligible on NHS, then there will possibly be a rush of people keen to have it. These will be people who will probably not considered the negative aspects of such major surgery, and will be like 'lambs to the slaughter'.

    The £15k cost of each operation could be better spent on realistic education programmes and it could be a lot cheaper if health professionals were directed to this site for diabetes education in the first instance, and encouraged their patients to do the same.
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I'm probably going to get shot down in flames but I agree with you Pipp! HCP s seem hellbent on advising patients that the eat well plate is the only way forward and even when we sit there in their "education" classes as living proof that low carb works, we are written off as nutters who are the exception to the rule. I also lost weight following a low fat diet , heavy on carbs pre diabetes days but put every pound back on. I have lost much more on LCHF. I think it's possible to lose weight using both diets but you have to chose one or the other and stick to it for life or you end up fat again. I don't think it's possible to eat carbs and fat together for lots of people. My hubbie tried for years to lose the paunch he gained in his early 30s by eating low fat and doing loads of exercise but LCHF shifted the additional 2 stone in 4 months and his stomach is as flat as a pancake. I still do not understand why we are encouraged to eat food which raises out bs when we are on tablets to bring it down. I feel very sorry for those who follow their doc/DNS advice and end up fatter and in many cases on insulin because "diabetes is a progressive disease!"
    Furthermore, LCHF does not raise my bs and it enables me to have more freedom in what I eat. Everyone who has dinner with us, loves our food! Of course I still miss crusty bread from time to time or cake and occasionally I have a small piece of cake or the odd creme caramel but the bread is out because it has a far worse effect on my bs and I don't want to become ill and fatter again!
     
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    Pipp Type 2 · Expert
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    Who will shoot you down, @Scandichic ?
    What you say makes absolute sense.
    Ah, I get it. Health professionals churning out the advice to have carbs with every meal could defend their stance aggressively. I wonder, has anyone from this forum started a campaign to re-educate the health professionals? I know some individuals have, but might we have more effect with a collective organised challenge?
     
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    Sid Bonkers Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Really? And what exactly is "my diet"?

    The fact is no one here knows what anyone else is eating its an internet forum and you dont know me or what I eat just as I dont know you or anyone else for that matter, I can tell you that I dont increase the amount of fat I eat is that what makes your bg levels rise perhaps?

    I doubt it, other than that I watch the amount of carbs I eat and only eat the amounts that I know will not push my bg levels up, is that what causes you so many problems?

    I eat to my meter what is it that you do that makes your bg levels rise when you eat "my diet" what ever that is.

    It just seems strange to me that very low-low carbers always seem to end up posting that they are more sensitive to carbs when what is really happening is that they are really more insulin resistant, probably, I believe due to the extra fat in their diet.

    Now Im not telling you or anyone else that that is a fact its what I believe and of cause it could account for why so many vl low carbers post that their cholesterol has gone up when most low carbers say that it has the opposite effect. Its all very strange isnt it?

    Like you knowing what I eat.....
     
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    No, this one's down to single mothers who, having heedlessly popped out babies in order to get a free council flat now loll about on benefits all day eating cream cakes to qualify for the next freebie - gastric band surgery!

    Kate
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Sid ,
    I found parts of your post unnecessary and aggressive. It is entirely up to you what you eat and I have never said otherwise. You have said that you eat carbs with every meal so presumably this is your diet. My understanding from this post and others which you have written is that you do eat some starchy carbs. As I have clearly stated on many occasions, LCHF works for me but not everyone. I would always recommend it to anyone as it seems to work for most people. If someone follows low GI or any other diet and it works for them then that pleases me as I would like everyone to be as well as they can be.
     
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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    :hilarious: Oh yes, I'd forgotten the single mothers!
    My dad reads this paper, which is surprising as he is an intelligent individual who doesn't vote for Ukip. I have tried to persuade him that he ought to buy a proper paper like the times or the observer but to no avail! Lol :D
     
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    mrman Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Im going into hiding after this post!!!! but, I think there are a large proportion of obese people who would loose alot of weight by eating a sensible diet. I mean diet in the sense of a permanent eating plan, including complex carbs. Not fast food,cakes,chocs etc. this isn't aimed at any type of diabetic but the population as a whole. Anyone seen biggest loser uk/usa/australia, secret eaters (who say they eat healthy and believe it) and the like, with participants eating a structured diet (and some even diabetic coming of meds. And not forgetting jarred~ the subway guy, lost a ton of weight eating healthy subs, (though I don't think diabetic). Fact is, people are more busy, less active, poorer all leading to bad choices and fast food. Now, although i believe this would work for non ds, and those where weight is the only factor to being diabetic , I am aware for many diagnosed this would not help. This is because strips and meters are not given to the majority to find out how many/which carbs their diet can tolerate/need for them. Then there are some who, whatever weight could of lost insulin production as well as being insulin resistant. Tests are not carried out to distinguish.

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    Scandichic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Why? Seems perfectly reasonable to me! I put on 6 stone over 23 years. Up until I was diagnosed, I didn't plan meals and we would often grab the first thing which came to hand or was available at the corner shop or takeout. Looking back at things, although we ate some very healthy stuff, we ate mostly ****. Now meals are planned, we cook from scratch, we eat LCHF and everyone is a **** sight healthier for it. We make time for brekkie every day whereas I never had time before. I only wish I had discovered LCHF before I started piling on the pounds! We have saved loads of money too!
     
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    Robinredbreast Type 1 · Oracle

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    A good and constructive post brett :)
     
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    Robinredbreast Type 1 · Oracle

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    Good on you for posting this Scandichic, it's about turning things around for the individual and choosing a healthier lifestyle that suits them ( and also includes their family too) :)
     
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    Dillinger Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    That's because my brothers and sisters have less patience than me Sid Bonkers.

    If you are going to dismiss Taubes but recommend Keys surely it follows that you should read both of them? Or how can you know?

    Dillinger
     
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