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Non-diabetic levels

daisy1

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Does anyone know what the non-diabetic levels are for fasting, before meal and 2 hours-after readings. Not HbA1c levels as I've got those. I'm trying to check my husband 8) Can't find these levels anywhere.
 
I was told the normal BG range is about 4-7mmol/L at all times. Expect a Fasting BG to be less than 5.5mmol/L -- Fasting being on first waking and also before meals... assuming 2hours or more since last ate. So at 2 hours postprandial I'd also expect a non-Diabetic to be back to Fasting levels.
 
NICE guidelines for non-diabetics:-

3.5 - 5.5 mmol/l fasting/before meals.
less than 8 mmol/l 2 hours after meals.

Who is the new avatar? Cute or what? If she's yours, what do the others think of her?

(Cute + furry + white fur = female? Talk about a stereotype! :lol: )

Viv 8)
 
viviennem said:
Who is the new avatar? Cute or what? If she's yours, what do the others think of her?

(Cute + furry + white fur = female? Talk about a stereotype! :lol: )
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It's not Daisy :wink: Just a picture I thought was so cute - not one of mine. I can't even remember where the picture came from now. Makes me feel broody for another one....
 
Forgot to say thanks pianoman and Viv for the info.
 
True 'non-diabetics', that aren't in any stage of pre-diabetes - will be back at fasting levels b 2 hours after the carbiest meals filled with starch and sugar. A meal with lots of fat may slow the process to 3 hours.. But every text book I've ever read on normal blood sugar, info from my doctor, and most of the large diabetics organizations show 'non-diabetic' levels at 2hr PP being back to fasting levels. I'm confused by the NICE guidelines posted by Viv. Maybe that's for 'controlled diabetics'. Now - I would agree with the 8mmoL figure if it were '1 hr PP'. As the a 'normal range' of blood sugars is indeed from 3.5-hi 7's mmol/L. But the 'peak' in non diabetics happened between 30 minutes and 1 hour -- and then rushes back to fasting levels by between 2-3 hours. Anyone near 8 mmol/L 2 hours after a meal is at least pre-diabetic if not full blown.

Here's a diagram from a textbook of a normal blood glucose curve in a non-diabetic. It matches all the other data I've obtained.
You'll notice a normal blood glucose rise never gets anywhere near 8 mmol/L
 

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Another question... My husband (a non-diabetic for those who haven't seen the beginning of this thread) had 6.8 this morning fasting. Much higher than me! Do non-diabetics suffer from dawn phenomenon too? Is this normal? Or should he get tested again? He was tested in Nov-Dec (he can't remember exactly) and was pronounced OK by his generalist. Figure of around 5 but he can't remember exactly. Of course that is a non-diabetic result.
 
I will post his 2 hour reading after breakfast when it is time.
 
Thanks Louise :) He was suspecting something like that. I will get him to go and see his doctor for more tests.
 
Grant, the NICE guidelines I posted are from the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence, the official British authority for all things to do with the National Health Service. The ones I posted date from about 2004 - there may be more recent ones, but I have not yet seen them.

NICE can be fallible, like every other human being or organisation. Anyone who lives over here knows all about the rows over NICE decisions. Our NHS professionals have to work to NICE guidelines, whatever they think privately, so we might as well be aware of them too.

Daisy1, being British, knows exactly what I mean when I preface my post with "NICE guidelines". I don't know what figures her Swiss doctor works to - no doubt he will tell her if she asks.

Viv 8)

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viviennem said:
Daisy1, being British, knows exactly what I mean when I preface my post with "NICE guidelines". I don't know what figures her Swiss doctor works to - no doubt he will tell her if she asks.

Viv 8)
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That's a thought - I never thought of asking what the recommended levels were here. I was diagnosed at 8.6 fasting though so there's no doubt about that.
Not only British but English born in London :)
 
It is important that the blood glucose levels being aimed for are as near normal as possible (that is in the range of those of a person who does not have diabetes).
These are:
3.5–5.5mmol/l* before meals
less than 8mmol/l, 2 hours after meals.
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Ref
Diabetic Association
Diabetes UK’s forerunner, the Diabetic Association, was set up in 1934 by novelist HG Wells and Dr RD Lawrence – both of whom had diabetes. The radical charity they founded aimed to ensure that everyone in the UK could gain access to insulin, whatever their financial situation.
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to...ose_targets/?gclid=CPDJneiUiKoCFcVO4QodKx6Oxg

Bit like colour and color Colour The Queens English

The Most of the members on this site are British , Expats and or Commonwealth Members even
EU members
Our HCPs can only advice and follow our guidelines

Not something you have found in some grubby old book

In the wild struggle for existence, we want to have something that endures, and so we fill our minds with rubbish and facts, in the silly hope of keeping our place.
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pianoman said:
I was told the normal BG range is about 4-7mmol/L at all times. Expect a Fasting BG to be less than 5.5mmol/L -- Fasting being on first waking and also before meals... assuming 2hours or more since last ate. So at 2 hours postprandial I'd also expect a non-Diabetic to be back to Fasting levels.
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I would agree with pianoman that fasting non diabetic levels are generally under 5.5 mmol/L. There have been very few studies done on the blood glucose levels of healthy non diabetic patients, in fact I have only seen details of two or three, here is the full lecture given by Professor J. S. Christiansen at the Annual Meeting of the European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD) in Copenhagen in September 2006. Slightly more informative than a picture from an unnamed textbook.

http://diabetes-symposium.org/index.php ... =49&id=322

More lectures on blood glucose monitoring from the diabetes-symposium web site.

http://diabetes-symposium.org/index.php ... topicid=16
 
Daisy..

6.8 mmol/l is sort of an high fasting level, but it does have to be taken into context with many factors before worrying about pre-diabetes..

Firstly is it a one off or constant, could he have a brewing, underlying infection, is he on other medication that might have raised his BG slightly... Is his body stressed in any way, this could be workload, neighbours causing a ruckus, the tackling of the phone bill that's been wrongly charged or even a niggly pain etc... or just in a grumpy mood!

All these factors can short term put up and non-diabetics blood glucose but it doesn't mean they are heading towards diabetes or eve pre-diabetes..

The best way of testing his for a doctor to rule out any underlying cause, several fasting tests week apart, and/or a GTT test to see the reaction of how the body adsorbs glucose!
 
I'm not diabetic and my levels tend to stay around the 5/6's any time of the day. First thing in the morning at a GTT while I was pregnant my bsl was 4.1. There really isn't a heap of data on non-diabetic levels as the body will regulate itself as required. If you had a bad dream in the night or were a bit stressed this could change a morning test or you'd also have to consider that a finger prick test only gives you a snap shot of that point in time and levels are constantly changing. I once did a finger prick test that was near 8 and had a couple of glasses of water and it was back to the low 4's in about half an hour. I am very thankful for my fully functional pancreas :)
 
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