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mj14

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Location
West Sussex
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Diagnosed 3 weeks ago Type 2 after visiting doctor for something completely different. He asked for a fasting blood test and to my utter shock I got a call asking me to make an appt with the DN at the surgery. Now looking back I did have some signs which have been put down to the diabetes (They think I have had it for some time). Just had my 2nd fasting bloods and HbA1c is 8.5, blood pressure too high and cholesterol is 6.4. I have been booked onto a Desmond course as basically I don't know what I am doing! Just been told to stop eating the pastry and chocs. Help!!!!!


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Hi. Yup keep the carbs down and get hold of a meter to monitor your blood sugar. Are you overweight or normal weight. The HBa1C is too high as it often is at diagnosis. It needs to come down below 7.5% at least. See the NICE Diabetes Pathways doc on the website if you want to understand the treatment options in more detail. If a low-carb diet fails to get your bloods down into the right region then you should be started on tablets
 
Welcome M J, you've come to a good place for advice, it is a big shock to get the diagnosis - but the good news is there is so much you can do to turn things around. Any small steps help in the beginning, just the obvious things such as avoiding sugary foods and white bread, white pasta, white rice and potatoes. Exercise is also a very important part of controlling blood sugars so a good brisk walk every day really helps. I think over time and following the various posts you will eventually find a way that suits you best. I have yet to get a meter (was diagnosed in October last year) but am thinking it could be a useful tool and may get one soon as most people on this site recommend it. I'm attending a Desmond course on Tuesday, will let you know what it's like. Good luck and best wishes
 
Thanks for replies - have been checking daily on this forum so thought it was about time I joined. Must admit I have buried my head in the sand for past 2 weeks and eaten anything and everything but decided this weekend all this was going to change. Still very confused about food but am learning daily. Not really overweight but as many people I could do with losing a bit so here we go, new year, new way of looking at food and hopefully new lower levels!!!!


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Hi it really takes some getting used to but its not all bad low carb leaves lots and lots of foods and tasty ones at that .
 
I am learning that but at the mo I am just getting obsessed with labels and sugar/salt content! Also found that some low fat products (as I am trying to loose those extra pounds) has actually more salt and sugar than normal full fat things. Just winging it for the min!!!! Talk about confused.com......


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Hi,

I'm in a similar position to you in some respects. I was first diagnosed not quite 3 weeks ago following a routine fasting blood test, and was gobsmacked! My HbA1c came back at 53 in new money (7% in old) so a bit lower than yours, and the tests also showed slightly raised total cholesterol.(6.1). I immediately started researching matters and knew it was my weight, waistline, and relative lack of exercise that caused it.

I saw the diabetes nurse a few days later, and she agreed with me that losing weight, inches off the waistline, and increasing exercise were my first priorities rather than concentrating solely on foods to lower blood sugar levels. (although these could be one and the same thing). I am to see her again a month after my last visit for a urine test and to see how I'm doing, then again after another 2 months for a further HbA1c test.

I then saw my GP who recommended I try statins for the cholesterol, at least for the time being, with a view to coming off them if things improve because my levels weren't very high and my ratio of total/HDL at 3.9 is very good. I am also being referred to a podiatrist and for a retina test as part of our local pathway.

Meanwhile, I have invented my own weight loss diet based round the foods we normally eat, and have been to 2 aqua-aerobic classes . I have lost 6lbs plus 2" off my waist in less than 3 weeks, so am feeling chuffed with myself. I am trying not to worry too much about my blood sugar levels at this stage, just concentrating on weight loss etc. in the hope this will bring the levels down.
 
That sounds like a plan, I am now thinking this is the path I am gonna try. I was getting so obsessed with carbs and cutting out pasta, potato and rice that it was starting to take over. Cutting right down on the above but thinking a bit more exercise and smaller portions is the way to go. Doctor wants to see me this week and DN has warned that he may put me straight onto meds. cholesterol meds are ok but I am going to ask if I can try and get HbA1c levels down myself first. To be honest as I have said before I am a pastry and cake freak and with cutting them out, I hope a big diff will show up. It seems the past 3 wks have been a roller coaster but now at last I am hopefully gonna make a diff....... Hopefully!!!!!


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I think you are being sensible in trying to get your levels down by diet and exercise before embarking on the meds. My thinking was if I go straight on meds how will I ever know if my diet is helping, and I will do everything in power to avoid the meds route.

My red light foods as far as weight is concerned are far, far too much butter and too much red wine, plus large portions. Happily I don't have a sweet tooth, so chocolate, desserts, added sugar, and sugary drinks aren't a problem for me.
 
OMG you sound like my double - layer the butter on, (especially my jackets and let it swim in it!!!) White wine and like I said pastry. Also where I work we pick all day with cakes, biscuits etc etc and this has now stopped. I know it's gonna be a long road and nothing will change overnight but rather that then going straight onto meds.


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For God´s sake, don't cut down on butter! If you cut down on carbs you need to eat something else, and that is good quality fats like butter and olive oil. No, they dont make you fat, they make you satiated.
 
Have a good read of the Low Carb forum. You need to cut down on carbs whatever diet you do (for carbs/carbohydrates see sugar). if you go full low carb as a lot of us (l have around 30 gram a day) it makes a huge difference and you wont feel hungry, and l get very smug at work when they eat chocs and cake putting on weight and l am loosing kgs.
Others here don't go as low carb as some of us l think some folks are around 50 to 150 gram a day but you will need to cut down. Even if you don't go full blown low carb there is excellent ideas for food and meals in the low carb forum for you.

The above for ultra low carbs (30 gram/day) is dependant on you being normal (if anyone thinks l am normal) and no other health problems. If you do then speak to your DN or check up on all your problems carefully.

Oh and you will see it helps knock cholesterol down as well as blood pressure as you get fitter.

Good luck :)
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MJ... you will be pleasantly suprised at the good foods you can eat with a LowCarb diet... hang around this forum and you'll soon get the hang of it all.

I had a really bad diet and a very sweet tooth, so if I can do it anyone can! You'll be fine... It helps to monitor your sugar levels and how they respond to foods that you eat.

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For God´s sake, don't cut down on butter! If you cut down on carbs you need to eat something else, and that is good quality fats like butter and olive oil. No, they dont make you fat, they make you satiated.


Butter may not make you fat, Totto, but it sure makes me fat - and that is speaking from years of experience in weight loss/weight gain


But alcohol lowers your bg, so it is good for us! Wine anyway.


But not so good for weight loss! And who said I've given it up altogether??!!! Lol.
 
Hi mj and welcome to the forum:)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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