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Not only doctors giving duff information
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Concordjan
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I have tried various things but just feel my liver is trying to be more helpful than my pancreas!
It’s only what I expected from the dn, never had any help from her or doctors.
DianaMC
Well-Known Member
Good point about the liver doing it’s work! I’ve had help with my health from TCM and they mention a body clock of when the organs are busy. It’s 1-3 am when the liver does it’s main processing, apparently: http://www.turningpointeacu.com/blo...-the-chinese-medicine-body-clock-explains-why
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Unfortunately current advice from NICE is that type 2s don't need to test - a cost cutting exercise that ignored the whole low carb/diet and monitoring impact.
Guzzler
Master
If it was just down to cost to the NHS I could understand but to actively try to deter someone who is willing to self fund in an effort to improve outcomes? That seems counter intuitive to me and smacks of HCPs unwilling to relinquish control.
Yes, you can call me cynical if you like.
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Member496333
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When it comes to the subject of costs, one has to remember that one person’s cost saving is another’s lost profit. It all depends on who’s pulling the strings and where the influence is coming from. Test strip advice clearly isn’t about cost saving in any logical sense, because the strips would save the NHS goodness knows how much in amputations alone, and that’s before we even go down the rabbit hole of hypertension, heart disease, and everything else related to metabolic syndrome. For every penny the NHS saves on test strips, it probably costs them a pound to treat the consequences with surgery and pharmaceuticals. Sadly there are forces at work who have an interest in things staying this way. The NHS itself, as a system, is an innocent victim of capitalism.
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Bluetit1802
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In the old days everyone was given a meter and strips, but were not told how to use them and what to make of any results. I imagine they were told to test at the most once a day, most likely once a week. Clearly this was not helping anyone. HCPs have no idea and have never been shown that testing before and after meals to test out foods actually works. I imagine it was all costing one heck of a lot of money with no benefits. In other words, they were seen as loss makers and virtually withdrawn from use.
If she had a brain, she'd be dangerous!
lucylocket61
Expert
I have lost count of how many times I have been asked why bother testing as I cant do anything about the result. I am glad to say that, nearly always, this has led to a teaching moment about carbs and their relationship to blood sugar levels. It only took a couple of years for my DN to get the hang of it, and many other people have benefited from me mentioning it, not just from me speaking, but becasue my DN nw also spreads the word. She still doesnt say to test, but she describes the relationship better now. She told me this good news on my last review. 
PenguinMum
Expert
I wonder if in time to come this will become a massive health scandal that will go to Tribunal (like the contaminated blood one currently which has taken 30 years) because the NHS withheld and discouraged use of a simple tool to prevent serious injury or death to their largest patient group. I just cant see my children’s generation taking that on the chin and rolling over. Its negligence IMO.
First of all Congratulations on your recovery.
Secondly pharmacists do say, you don't need to test.
When this forum sends out articles or posts on Facebook. It's amazing how many people say: don't need to test, swap from simple to complex carbs, eat a healthy balance diet because its bad to miss out whole food groups,
Follow the advice given by the Dr, and dont low carb, its bad for you.
Yeh right,
Listlad
BANNED
One of my GPs told me that test strips are expensive so they don’t issue them unless there is a risk of a hypo.
poemagraphic
Well-Known Member
I would have written all of this with my caps lock on.... except I have been told off already for shouting Jim.
Bluetit1802
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You are right, of course. However, it is very clear that the NHS has not "discovered" that testing meals and so forth is an option. Everyone was prescribed test strips at one time but no-one knew how to use them to their advantage. They were told to test at most once a day, testing meals was never recognised and still isn't. It must have become clear that this was a waste of money because they didn't help people to improve their diabetes and did not reduce the dangers of complications or increased medications.. It was unknown for T2s to attain remission or good control with the use of test strips. So ... in the absence of advice to test before and after meals, hardly anyone got better. Therefore withdrawal of these prescriptions was seen as a good cost cutting measure, and that is the status quo. NICE and HCPs need to be made aware of how testing does help enormously when done properly in a structured fashion. Maybe once that hurdle is overcome, they may be made available again.
I sometimes wonder whether the reason they won't give strips and a meter to the type 2s who WANT to test, is because they know that those people care about their health to the extent that they will take precautions no matter what. They know that those people are more likely to buy their own if they don't get given them so they are probably thinking 'Why should we bother'. It's a similar principle for the allocation of a libre, talk about jumping through hoops. Those showing an active interest in monitoring and managing their diabetes are NEVER the priority when it comes to help. I do get that the NHS has a budget but I also think they could make better decisions based on the individual in front of them (who is TRYING) rather than a blanket NO. I wonder whether type 2s who do not manage their diabetes as such get offered a meter & strips in order to improve?
Tophat1900
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Gotta love bureaucracy... don't need to test. Type2's newly diagnosed literally have very poor control, often accompanied by poor blood test results in general. You'd think it would be a priority to try and get better control and that can't be done without measuring. So let's offer nothing to these poor unfortunate people in the way of help for measuring their levels, unless they are on hypo inducing drugs. They are struggling with the shock of diagnosis and don't know what to do next. They receive horrendous dietary advice that is backed by decades of complete failure, which if followed worsens one's health by accumulating complications, but somehow it's expert advice. And not only denied strips, but actively told they shouldn't test and some are berated for wanting to. It makes no sense to me.
I don't know who is responsible for these decisions. It's a shame these officials can't be taught a lesson to make them understand what not testing is like. These officials should be asked to try and drive a car while blind folded. You wouldn't even get them behind the wheel, they'd think you're mad to suggest such a thing. To me that would be the point, because that's what not testing is like, you can't see what your levels are doing because you are effectively blindfolded by an unhelpful and at times deliberately aggressive system.
Hats off to all those who self fund to test, even though they've been told not to.
I don't know who is responsible for these decisions. It's a shame these officials can't be taught a lesson to make them understand what not testing is like. These officials should be asked to try and drive a car while blind folded. You wouldn't even get them behind the wheel, they'd think you're mad to suggest such a thing. To me that would be the point, because that's what not testing is like, you can't see what your levels are doing because you are effectively blindfolded by an unhelpful and at times deliberately aggressive system.
Hats off to all those who self fund to test, even though they've been told not to.
NicoleC1971
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I am leading a 'walk and diabetes' talk course aimed at pre diabetic and newly diagnosed type 2s.
Am telling all to invest in a glucose meter and test at appropriate times. Not to make anyone neurotic but just so they know what is happening when they eat different foods. They seem receptive to the concept and it makes sense to the 2-3 people who do not want or need to lose weight but do need to improve their metabolic health.
Ideally these guys should get a freestyle libre and use it for a couple of weeks with unlimited testing but a basic meter is cheaper obviously.
I think that those prescribing test strips for those not on insulin feel that they would give themselves more work plus cost in terms on explaining how to test and how to interpret the results rather than actually help the patient help themselves.
After all if you believe that weight loss and calorie control are the key to diabetes resolution then you will not expect your patients to lose weight (most people can't do that via calorie reduction) but merely to progress their diabetes whilst you keep an eye on the 'co morbidities' and hand out more drugs.
Am telling all to invest in a glucose meter and test at appropriate times. Not to make anyone neurotic but just so they know what is happening when they eat different foods. They seem receptive to the concept and it makes sense to the 2-3 people who do not want or need to lose weight but do need to improve their metabolic health.
Ideally these guys should get a freestyle libre and use it for a couple of weeks with unlimited testing but a basic meter is cheaper obviously.
I think that those prescribing test strips for those not on insulin feel that they would give themselves more work plus cost in terms on explaining how to test and how to interpret the results rather than actually help the patient help themselves.
After all if you believe that weight loss and calorie control are the key to diabetes resolution then you will not expect your patients to lose weight (most people can't do that via calorie reduction) but merely to progress their diabetes whilst you keep an eye on the 'co morbidities' and hand out more drugs.
Which glucose meter is the best one to get - I am newly diagnosed Type 2 and I also think that if I test, I would like to know which foods to avoid.
Thomas the Tank
Well-Known Member
I did just that when I did the worthless course. Plain simple language that what they were saying was outright dangerous! Then I walked out.Would have stood up after her yelling at the man,and informed her she needs an education ,what she is spouting is nonsense.Then security would escort me out.
