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Obesity epidemic - letter to Daily Mail

mcdonagh47 said:
But hang on, with BMI of 29 you weren't obese so your experience is not strictly relevant to the management of obesity.

Plus you seem to be confusing and running together two separate issues - the management of obesity and the management of diabetes.

And again we would need a peer reviewed study of 100 or so individuals like you ( with a control group obviously) before any meaningful conclusions could be drawn - a study with one subject means nothing.
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This is a forum for discussing how to manage diabetes; requiring peer reviewed studies before advice is given is just another way of saying 'never speak.' Obviously Ian is not going to be in any sort of position to provide that; you may feel that pedantry is a useful response to people asking for advice but I don't.

You do what you want with your diabetes but read the low carb success stories and see whether any of them make you question the orthodox view of diabetes management.

Regards

Dillinger
 
Dillinger said:
You do what you want with your diabetes
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You are missing the point entirely, the recent stories in the press were about the so-called "OBESITY epidemic" and how to manage it in general and in individuals. The OP replied to an OBESITY story in the press by recounting how he had successfully managed his DIABETES by low carbing i.e. his letter was off topic and confused two separate issues.

Obesity is a complex issue and there are probably as many forms of obesity as there are obese people - one-size-fits-all panaceas such as "Low carbing" aren't going to sort the issues. If an obese person sticks to 5000 calories a day and low carbs it isn't going to do much for them.

A sensible programme of gradual calory reduction and lifestyle re-education might be more profitable.

Tx for permission to think for myself.
 
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Someone queried what is a low carber eating amount wise and about excercise and weight.

l am l think a very low carber l am type 2 and eat between 20-30gram a day.

With regards excercise it helps you lose fat not weight. You will put on some degree of muscle the more you excercise.
Dont weigh yourself get some one to measure your waist and thigh and keep notes every couple of weeks or so.
If you weigh then you will initally loose weight but then put it on and give up....in fact the measure should show fat loss the extra weight is muscle.
A huge bug of mine in wording.

Sorry but as it is to the daily smell l dont expect anything from the scum...
 
mcdonagh47 said:
You are missing the point entirely, the recent stories in the press were about the so-called "OBESITY epidemic" and how to manage it in general and in individuals. The OP replied to an OBESITY story in the press by recounting how he had successfully managed his DIABETES by low carbing i.e. his letter was off topic and confused two separate issues.

Obesity is a complex issue and there are probably as many forms of obesity as there are obese people - one-size-fits-all panaceas such as "Low carbing" aren't going to sort the issues. If an obese person sticks to 5000 calories a day and low carbs it isn't going to do much for them.

A sensible programme of gradual calory reduction and lifestyle re-education might be more profitable.

Tx for permission to think for myself.
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The DM article linked diabetes to obesity as one of the ever increasing problems due to obesity. DUK recognise that weight reduction reduces pre-diabetes & the complications of diabetes itself.

This is a diabetes forum.
 
mcdonagh47 said:
Tx for permission to think for myself.
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But you are not thinking for yourself; you are just stating an orthodoxy that many people on here have direct evidence against from their own (non peer reviewed) lives.

Ian D being a particularly eloquent observer of what nonsense the standard advice for both diabetic control and weight loss is.

I would also refer you to the title of Ian's letter; "Experience, together with many studies, shows that a low carbohydrate, high fat diet (LCHF) is better, for weight loss, general health & diabetic control."

Diabetes is at its core a disease of metabolic dysfunction; and there is some very convincing (non orthodox) reasoning that suggests that obesity is the same; Type 2 diabetes and obesity are therefore linked on that spectrum and are arguably the consequences of that metabolic dysfunction not the cause.

Here's another bit on non-peer reviewed anecdote for you; I have Type 1 diabetes and also am strangely insensitive to insulin so may have the much sought after (that's a joke by the way) Double Diabetes. I started taking Metformin to see if that would help with my insulin sensitivity. As you know Metformin increases the body's sensitivity to insulin in a way akin to exercise. At that time I stopped exercising (as my second child had just been born) but otherwise my diet remained exactly the same. I lost 10kg in weight over 6 months. That, to me, blows the eat less move more argument right out of the water.

So, like I said do as you will but don't let tribal adherence to what you hear about a healthy diet cloud your vision.

Regards

Dillinger
 
I have been using low carbs for 2weeks and the blood glucose is great , but exercise for me is so difficult as I have ME/CFS and my energy is so limited.

DaveyMac
 
IanD said:
To: Ms Sophie Borland

[email protected]


Dear Ms Borland,


Re: OBESITY UK (13/1/2014)


The problem is wrong diet advice from the health professionals, particularly that complex carbohydrates are good, & that fat consumption should be minimised. Experience, together with many studies, shows that a low carbohydrate, high fat diet (LCHF) is better, for weight loss, general health & diabetic control.


I am a T2 diabetic, diagnosed in 2000 at the age of 61, with a BMI of 29. The diet advice I was given was to eat plenty of complex carbohydrates, low fat/sugar/salt & keep active. I did, & in 7 1/2 years I was suffering a range of debilitating & painful diabetic complications. I was told at diagnosis that I would suffer complications however well I kept to the diet. They were right. My active life was over. I had very strong motivation to get well & found help on the www.diabetes.co.uk forum, where many contributors have discovered the benefits. I contribute as IanD.


In May 2008 I learnt of the benefits of a low-carbohydrate, high fat diet. I immediately stopped eating the obvious carbohydrates, & within 3 months I was out of pain & able to play tennis again.


Six years on, 75 years old in March, I am a stable 25 BMI, fit & well, & playing tennis & table tennis at club standard. Annual diabetes health checks have shown no cardio or other problems, & the professional advice I now receive is to continue with my LCHF diet & life-style.


I note the latest leaflet from “change for life” stresses low fat/low sugar, & advises giving skimmed milk to children over 5. Where does their energy come from? Fat provides double the energy of carbohydrates, & is more sustaining. Diabetics can prove that by blood glucose testing.


I will be happy to provide further information, internet links, etc.


Yours faithfully,
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My dietitian said to me" Off the record" eat very few carbs , "on the record" she said "now here's the food pyramid" and we both laughed .

Has anyone tried the Atkins diet?
 
websuperstar said:
My dietitian said to me" Off the record" eat very few carbs , "on the record" she said "now here's the food pyramid" and we both laughed .

Has anyone tried the Atkins diet?
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Loads of us have tried Atkins or variations thereof, for most it seems to have worked quite well although there are a few who it didnt help.


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