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How about, off the top of my head, we swap the positions of the bread, rice, potatoes and pasta section (one third of the plate :shock: ) with the meat, fish, eggs and beans (~12%?). That would be a start wouldn't it?
A couple of million diabetics would be better off straight away, and everyone else for that matter.
Now, you've asked me a question and I've answered it. Setting a dangerous precedent for you here. :wink:

fergus
 
tut fergus ! no need for sarcasm

The plate is not directed at diabetics particularly - it is useful when talking about food groups but it doesnt address portion sizes .
 
Allright then, Ally, now it's your turn. If the 'Eat well plate' isn't aimed at diabetics, how would you define a healthy diet for us?
Does it have to have starchy carbohyrates at every meal? If so, how much?
Does it have to be low in fat, especially saturated fat?
Does it have to limit the intake of protein?
If type 2's need to lose some weight, how are they to do this?

fergus
 
for you fergus

it has to be individual of course a portion for you may be different

Thsi is what i do - and this is general for diabetics of course because everyone has different requirements.

Protein 2-3 portions a day - I give people portion sizes 100g chicken, meat etc that inc veg alts
being practical alot may not eat 3 portions , esp for bf and the cost will limit it for some.

unlimited veggies, a few fruit portions

no not low in fat - I rec butter and if they like full fat milk, most people seem to prefer that to cream in drinks - esp tea.
Olive oil in cooking but a def no to fries, crisps etc. So we arent getting rid of sat fat but the hydrogenated/ trans fat - so really it is liniting the junk.

Portion controlled carbs at meals but low Gi .

the bigest section of the plate should be the junk dont you think.

but i have told you this before - a mod approach to carbs, but low GI

I am not sure a plate is the right way of explaining it - I dont like the pyramid for the same reason.
 
Ally, that sounds like a pretty close approximation to my diet. Fresh meat, fish, cheese, eggs, lots of veggies, some fruits, nuts, full fat dairy and no bread, flour, pasta, rice or potatoes.
So where's the beef? I mean, shouldn't you be arguing with the 'eat wel plate'-ers, not the low carbers?
Delighted you've joined the winning team in the end. :D

fergus
 
fergus - it is actually what most dietitians , that i know of any way tell their pts . I really think that this forum distorts the truth about diet to suit!

I do however limit the of fats - esp when trying to lose wt. TBH alot of people actually do not like fat - inc myself!

But the difference is it is not low carb - bread , pots etc do feature but in controlled portions - depending on the individual. This is for type 2 , type 1 are different and I usually get them on a dafne course as we have good access.
 
Ally, 'this forum' cannot distort anything. It's moderated by volunteers and the content offered by anyone who wishes to.

wiflib
 
For the umpteenth time, this forum has no agenda other than to allow open and frank discussion between individuals.
This thread is beginning to head off in a not unfamiliar direction, so time to get back on topic.
You know where to find the diet debate should you wish to.

fergus
 
wiflib said:
Ally, 'this forum' cannot distort anything. It's moderated by volunteers and the content offered by anyone who wishes to.

wiflib
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Thank you for that comment Wiflib,you are right,the FORUM does not have an agenda but individual members do.As Fergus states,lets get back on topic.



Thank you for you cooperation in this .
 
What do members think of the significance of exercise in their quest to lose weight? Is it more important than diet,less important or just the same?
How much has it contributed to your personal weight lose regime.
 
Not one minute of my exercise level has changed since diagnosis, in fact, not changed for 30 years.

I do precisely NO exercise and am coming up to the 5 stones mark in weight lost since June '08

Used to be competition fit in my yoof and army days though.

wiflib
 
Fairly, you know what it's like to be running around looking for stuff that's never in the room I'm in! But the point is, it's the same level pre and post diagnosis. So all the weight loss has been on reducing carbs alone.

Interestingly enough, my insulin resistance has vastly improved and I had started to slightly increase the carbs, but this resulted in an immediate weight gain. I'm back down to the original level and I'm loosing again.

wiflib
 
Know that feeling!!Any increase in carbs results in weight gain but also in elevated BG's so I tend to try and keep the carbs down.My exercise is similar to yours,with bursts of exertion on occasions!
 
I have done almost daily regular exercise for 22 years. I started regular exercise from the age of 25 but didn't get into home exercising with videos for a few years until I got fed up with my the cost of the gym. I don't think it affects my weight but it does affect my mood. I feel better for doing it. Otherwise I would spend almost all day sitting down one way or another.

Last year I did 1.5 hours a day for two weeks and only lost a pound. This could even just have been normal weight fluctuation. I'm now at one hour a day. This is hard enough to fit in.
 
In my experience, excercise has little impact on my weight. When it does, it can even have the opposite effect from the one expected!
I've recently started training for a long-distance cycle race in May this year. From a starting point of 20-30 miles per week, I'm now doing 100-150. My insulin doses are unchanged, so there is little extra food in my diet. The result? 3 pounds of weight gain! I'm hoping it's muscle, otherwise Sciehallion is going to be a killer!
Still, like Katherine, I feel better for it.

All the best,

fergus
 
A cup of tea won't do it, Sue. Five pints of Lance Armstrong's blood and an IV drip and we can talk about it. :wink:

fergus
 
fergus said:
Ally, that sounds like a pretty close approximation to my diet. Fresh meat, fish, cheese, eggs, lots of veggies, some fruits, nuts, full fat dairy and no bread, flour, pasta, rice or potatoes.
So where's the beef? I mean, shouldn't you be arguing with the 'eat wel plate'-ers, not the low carbers?
Delighted you've joined the winning team in the end. :D

fergus
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That's what I completely fail to understand in these ongoing threads. What Ally suggested to me via email was actually not too far from what I am doing already. It was light years away from what MY dietician told ME I had to eat.

Now if she is genuinely getting the results she reports, why is she spending so much time here trying to persuade diabetics who are doing *even better* than her patients to do worse, when she could be educating other dieticians to come up to her standards???

If I can find where I put it I have an excellent alternative "eatwell plate"
 
me - patron sat of low carbers - now u are al going mad!

I have said often enough mod carbs and low GI . (yawn)

What I told you I do Trink is what every dietitian I know does - so where you have been lord knows.
 
Ally - PM your address & I will send you the NHS/DUK booklet prepared by community dietitians to provide us with diet advice - "Eat starchy foods at every meal ... to maintain blood sugar levels."
 
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