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On LCHF from yesterday but still high

Interesting as my stomach with SCT works ok with green veg and certain veg so long as I have flax seed.

Even the Atkins diets is concerned to consider and recommend certain veg for the antioxidant protection- the highest protection coming from garlic and kale, spinach, 1 tablespoon onion and green beans.

For me the antioxidants from veg are well worth the flaxseed.
Same with the blue, black and strawberries.

I also believe in the power of tomatoes and their lycopene eaten with olive oil for best absorption by our bodies.

Interesting that veg causes you stomach issues. Proves how different we all are. If that works for you thats good. I prefer to have some antioxidants and kycopene in my diet too despite having to take flaxseed for my bowels to cope..
Plants didn't cause stomach problems for me, just intestinal problems. I don't believe humans need anti-oxidants in their diet. Our body makes exactly the right amount of anti-oxidants when and where we need them. Introducing anti-oxidants to our bodies in the form of supplements or from plants has no proven health benefits.
 
Interesting feedback thank you.
 

I dread eating any food as animals are exposed to petrol fumes, corn, antibiotics, etc.
Plants - fumes, insecticides etc and they are depleted of vitamins etc compared to 100 years ago.

I just find for myself that natural products and unprocessed (as such!!) works for me.

I find it staggering that somebody could live on such a restrictive diet for the rest of their luves. Sure I know about inuits and eskimo's etc but that is due to there surroundings more than anything.

I would have thought that to survive this way of eating it would have involved eating the whole animal- offal as well... As the persons on restricted diets as yourself didn't just eat rib eye steak... They ate the whole animal...

Very interesting.
 
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I dread eating any food as animals are exposed to petrol fumes, corn, antibiotics, etc.
Plants - fumes, insecticides etc and they are depleted of vitamins etc compared to 100 years ago.

I just find for myself that natural products and unprocessed (as such!!) works for me.

I find it staggering that somebody could live on such a restrictive diet for the rest of their luves. Sure I know about inuits and eskimo's etc but that is due to there surroundings more than anything.

I would have thought that to survive this way of eating it would have involved eating the whole animal- offal as well... As the persons on restricted diets as yourself didn't just eat rib eye steak... They ate the whole animal...

Very interesting.
No, you don't need to eat the whole animal. It's not necessary.
 
I dread eating any food as animals are exposed to petrol fumes, corn, antibiotics, etc.
Plants - fumes, insecticides etc and they are depleted of vitamins etc compared to 100 years ago.

I just find for myself that natural products and unprocessed (as such!!) works for me.

I find it staggering that somebody could live on such a restrictive diet for the rest of their luves. Sure I know about inuits and eskimo's etc but that is due to there surroundings more than anything.

I would have thought that to survive this way of eating it would have involved eating the whole animal- offal as well... As the persons on restricted diets as yourself didn't just eat rib eye steak... They ate the whole animal...

Very interesting.

Just to give a different perspective, I don't worry about my food, because the toxins you are talking about are present in miniscule doses. Like, 1 part per million sort of levels. There is an old saying "the dose makes the poison". We are probably ingesting/absorbing/inhaling high doses of toxins just from everyday life than from the food we eat. Insecticides are usually sprayed on the plant quite some time before harvest. If our food was depleted of vitamins to a significant extent we would all have scurvy, rickets and other pronounced deficiencies. Many people test fine for vitamins and minerals.

I agree with you about avoiding animal products where the animal has been fattened up by long term antibiotics or hormones. However, if they had a short course of antibiotics at some stage in their life there is usually a regulatory witholding period before they can be slaughtered, so I don't worry about antibiotic use in those cases. The alternative is for any sick animal to be killed on the spot, or suffer with illness.
 
Zero carb is fairly simple: don't eat or drink anything made from plants. The exception's are spices is small amounts and tea or coffee and distilled spirits. So eggs are ok. Dairy is generally not consumed, but some cheese is ok if you tolerate it. No milk, yogurt, cream, etc. Some people like a to eat a wide variety of meat, but I pretty much eat beef, mostly excellent quality ribeye steaks cooked on my barbecue to medium-rare or rare. I usually have bacon and eggs for breakfast. I drink water, black coffee and Irish whiskey.

@NoCrbs4Me Do you have regular kidney function tests?
 
Just curious.
If you don't , but enjoy your diet, go for it.

Ever though of a raw meat diet?
 
No, I much prefer cooked meat. A few people do that, though.

I notice you seem to like bbq?
Any thoughts on the carcinogenic effects of the carbonized meat?

Just curious, as I don't eat much meat, I'm mainly Mediterranean diet here, adjusted obviously.
 
I notice you seem to like bbq?
Any thoughts on the carcinogenic effects of the carbonized meat?

Just curious, as I don't eat much meat, I'm mainly Mediterranean diet here, adjusted obviously.
I don't carbonize my steaks. They are medium-rare - to rare.
 
I have been into LCHF for almost 9 days and my BS has become somewhat stable .

However, every morning i am in the range of 8.7---9.6 mmol.I cannot do anything about that.
Eating or not eating the evening before wont make a difference.

As the day progresses it decreases gradually .
At around mid day it can be between 7.8---8.4/mmol/l
In the afternoon and evening it can go lower at around 6.7---7.4mmol/l

Is this somewhat normal?
How can i go lower like in the normal ranges?
I dont know what else to do.
Maybe the key to all this is that the the BS will normalise and insulin resistance will decrease only after a few months of losing weight.
 
I have been into LCHF for almost 9 days and my BS has become somewhat stable .

However, every morning i am in the range of 8.7---9.6 mmol.I cannot do anything about that.
Eating or not eating the evening before wont make a difference.

As the day progresses it decreases gradually .
At around mid day it can be between 7.8---8.4/mmol/l
In the afternoon and evening it can go lower at around 6.7---7.4mmol/l

Is this somewhat normal?
How can i go lower like in the normal ranges?
I dont know what else to do.
Maybe the key to all this is that the the BS will normalise and insulin resistance will decrease only after a few months of losing weight.
I think losing weight will help, as will exercise. Good luck, and keep up the good work.
 
I think losing weight will help, as will exercise. Good luck, and keep up the good work.

I think the same as above... More activity does lower bloods.. A walk with type 2's of 30minutes can bring levels lower.
 
I have been into LCHF for almost 9 days and my BS has become somewhat stable .

However, every morning i am in the range of 8.7---9.6 mmol.I cannot do anything about that.
Eating or not eating the evening before wont make a difference.

As the day progresses it decreases gradually .
At around mid day it can be between 7.8---8.4/mmol/l
In the afternoon and evening it can go lower at around 6.7---7.4mmol/l

Is this somewhat normal?
How can i go lower like in the normal ranges?
I dont know what else to do.
Maybe the key to all this is that the the BS will normalise and insulin resistance will decrease only after a few months of losing weight.

Yes.

Give it time, or try the Newcastle Diet, if you want faster results.
 
As the day progresses it decreases gradually .
At around mid day it can be between 7.8---8.4/mmol/l
In the afternoon and evening it can go lower at around 6.7---7.4mmol/l

Is this somewhat normal?
How can i go lower like in the normal ranges?
I dont know what else to do.
Maybe the key to all this is that the the BS will normalise and insulin resistance will decrease only after a few months of losing weight.
Something is not right. What exactly are you eating? LCHF is ideally only 5% of your calories from carbs which is around 20 - 45g. As a diabetic, you would be best to go under 20g, at least initially. A slice of bread contains more than that. A few to many nuts or to much milk in your coffee and you will not lower your fasting sugar levels. Its a strict protocol and you can't half **** it. If you do this properly, you will use all the stored glycogen in your body after about 3 days. Your blood sugar, and more importantly, your blood insulin levels, must come down and you will begin to start the long process of healing yourself of the decades of imbalances and damage that have brought us both here. If your carbs are to high, it won't work. This is not a steak and bacon diet either. If your protein is to high, your body will convert the excess to glucose and you will suffer both high blood sugar and high insulin and the knock on imbalances these cause and your health will deteriorate further. Have another look at what you are eating and check your carb intake is less than 20g/day, Carbs come mainly from non starchy veggies and you can eat a decent serve (1-2 cups) every meal and stay under the carb limit. Make sure that your protein is around 15% of your calories ( approx palm size portion of meat/meal or 3 egg omelette with cheese for breakfast) and plenty of healthy fat - absolutely no processed vegetable oils or margarine. Butter, lard, olive oil, coconut oil, advocados, fish oil, flaxseed and tahini are excellent sources. A little exercise goes a long way to help clear the blood sugar and use up glycogen stores. You should be able to get your numbers into normal ranges or lower and your insulin sensitivity will gradually improve so that given time, you can have the occasional carb meal without getting a diabetic reading. This diet is not just for weight loss or diabetes. Did you know people are using this diet successfully for many other diseases including cancer?
 
Something is not right. What exactly are you eating? LCHF is ideally only 5% of your calories from carbs which is around 20 - 45g. As a diabetic, you would be best to go under 20g, at least initially. A slice of bread contains more than that. A few to many nuts or to much milk in your coffee and you will not lower your fasting sugar levels. Its a strict protocol and you can't half **** it. If you do this properly, you will use all the stored glycogen in your body after about 3 days. Your blood sugar, and more importantly, your blood insulin levels, must come down and you will begin to start the long process of healing yourself of the decades of imbalances and damage that have brought us both here. If your carbs are to high, it won't work. This is not a steak and bacon diet either. If your protein is to high, your body will convert the excess to glucose and you will suffer both high blood sugar and high insulin and the knock on imbalances these cause and your health will deteriorate further. Have another look at what you are eating and check your carb intake is less than 20g/day, Carbs come mainly from non starchy veggies and you can eat a decent serve (1-2 cups) every meal and stay under the carb limit. Make sure that your protein is around 15% of your calories ( approx palm size portion of meat/meal or 3 egg omelette with cheese for breakfast) and plenty of healthy fat - absolutely no processed vegetable oils or margarine. Butter, lard, olive oil, coconut oil, advocados, fish oil, flaxseed and tahini are excellent sources. A little exercise goes a long way to help clear the blood sugar and use up glycogen stores. You should be able to get your numbers into normal ranges or lower and your insulin sensitivity will gradually improve so that given time, you can have the occasional carb meal without getting a diabetic reading. This diet is not just for weight loss or diabetes. Did you know people are using this diet successfully for many other diseases including cancer?



I do not eat nuts as they are very high in carbs.
Milk i only have 50 g a day on average.that is 2 carbs.

The amount of carbs i am having is between 50 and 70 as per this guide for beginners http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/


I am surprised that aside from nuts(almonds, peanuts, walnuts) which are very high in carb you are suggesting that i also should have flaxseed which is terribly high in carbs (30 grams of carbs/100g.)

Here is what i am eating most days:eggs,bacon,cottage cheese,feta,mushrooms,greens,celery,zuchini,tomatoes,cucumber,spring onions,fish,peanut butter ,olive oil, sesame and sunflower oil,butter.But it doesnt mean i would eat everything from this list every day.For the past few days i had a couple of rice cakes every day (6 carbs each).Once or twice a week i would have pork,chicken or beef.Occasionally i would make a cabbage soup with celery and carrots .As you can see nothing on my list is as high in carbs as the nuts and flaxseed you are suggesting.

I do not know what i could eat to be bellow 20 g of carbs a day and not eat foods high in fat and calories either?
This seems a bit extreme to me and i would probably starve.
 
I do not eat nuts as they are very high in carbs.
Milk i only have 50 g a day on average.that is 2 carbs.

The amount of carbs i am having is between 50 and 70 as per this guide for beginners http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/


I am surprised that aside from nuts(almonds, peanuts, walnuts) which are very high in carb you are suggesting that i also should have flaxseed which is terribly high in carbs (30 grams of carbs/100g.)

Here is what i am eating most days:eggs,bacon,cottage cheese,feta,mushrooms,greens,celery,zuchini,tomatoes,cucumber,spring onions,fish,peanut butter ,olive oil, sesame and sunflower oil,butter.But it doesnt mean i would eat everything from this list every day.For the past few days i had a couple of rice cakes every day (6 carbs each).Once or twice a week i would have pork,chicken or beef.Occasionally i would make a cabbage soup with celery and carrots .As you can see nothing on my list is as high in carbs as the nuts and flaxseed you are suggesting.

I do not know what i could eat to be bellow 20 g of carbs a day and not eat foods high in fat and calories either?
This seems a bit extreme to me and i would probably starve.
The carb percentage in nuts and seeds is very high BUT we don't have large amounts of these. The small amount of flaxseeds a person would eat per day is nowhere near 100g.

I'm not sure why you are worried about eating foods high in fat?
 
The carb percentage in nuts and seeds is very high BUT we don't have large amounts of these. The small amount of flaxseeds a person would eat per day is nowhere near 100g.

I'm not sure why you are worried about eating foods high in fat?


I am not.
I guess what i am trying to say is where i would get enough calories from if i give up or significantly reduce the animal protein and animal fat in my diet as suggested by Macdoug.
This is getting very complicated now...
 
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