Outing 'False Claims' Diabetes Companies

marion · Jun 18, 2007

I know that nobody on this site will accept it but I have been on high levels of insulin for some years now and then tried Diabeticine. Levels improved significantly within one month and remained at that level. After ten months I did not buy any more and levels rose and became more unpredictable. I bought an alternative, cheaper version with lower chromium content. This was less effective and did not agree with me (nothing drastic). After 3 months I have bought some Diamoxol again and my levels have dropped again and stabilised. Hospital say that my diabetes control is superb and have referred me back to the care of my GP as there is nothing additional for them to do. Like any product I am sure it works for some and not others. Even in our family Anti-histamine works for me but not my husband, Movelat works for my husband but not my daughter yet both products are of value. It is all very well saying that the manufacturers have not followed the expensive testing regime you would like but the product users report success without side effects. Drinking milk is beneficial and builds calcium but why should it be treated as a drug.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pauls
 On the subject of Outing things, Diamaxol has reared it's ugly head again. Has anyone tested their claims in the UK?

There's now a site with a UK-based phone number flogging this stuff.
http://www.nutracura.co.uk/products/diamaxol.php

They seem to be based in Halifax W.Yorkshire.

I made an WHOIS query and got a reply back which has these worrying details for the registrant of the web address:
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Registrant's address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service.

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I believe that if they're listed as a "non-trading individual" it normally means they are a private individual.

PaulS
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most!
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johnoswaldallan · Nov 16, 2007

I have been an insulin dependant diabetic for approximately 30 years. When I was first diagnosed I was put on a diet of 150 grams of carbohydrate per day and this seemed to control my blood sugar levels reasonably well. Over the years there were quite a few changes as to the treatment of diabetes. It was suggested by a dietician at the diabetic clinic that there was now no need to count carbohydrates. At this point I was on two injections a day and although my control wasn’t perfect it was nevertheless tolerable. The new thinking was that as long as I stuck with the “good” carbohydrates (long acting) I could eat what I wanted. It was also suggested that I should drastically limit my fat intake, especially animal fat and substitute butter for a low fat spread (which turns out can be quite harmful because many of them use hydrogenated oil) avoid eating eggs and dairy produce be careful of eating meat with any sign of fat and of course to limit my salt intake. In other words most of the good wholesome foods that many of us where brought up on were now off the menu.

I took all of this very seriously and for many years tried desperately to control my blood sugars, which just went from bad to worse. Over the years I regularly attended diabetic clinics, I nevertheless suffered five heart attacks and started to experience problems with my eyes. I was told that I had autonomic and puerperal neuropathy and other conditions associated with long-term diabetes. As hard as I tried I could not control my blood sugars. I was putting in more and more insulin (at one point getting on for 200 units a day) and feeling terrible most of the time. I was told that I had an absorption problem or that it was a form of insulin resistance, it was sometimes said that I had “brittle” diabetes, whatever that means. I was now on 5 injections a day (2 of long acting insulin and 3 of short acting insulin). Very little was mentioned regarding my carbohydrate intake.

This all came to a head in May of this year. When I attended a diabetic clinic I was told that my long-term blood glucose was terrible (I think they were in the region of 10-12) and that my kidneys were showing signs of impairment. On top of this I was waiting to have laser treatment on my eyes and was constantly being told by the eye clinic that it was imperative that I control my blood sugar levels. As hard as I tried I was getting readings of up to 27mmol/l on a daily basis. The doctor at the clinic decided that I needed to be on an insulin pump. As there was likely to be a long wait before I would get the pump, I became quite despondent as things were going from bad to worse. At this point my Wife dug out the old recipe book that she used when I was first diabetic and put me on, yes the old-fashioned 150 g carbohydrate per day. It worked from day 1. I am truly grateful to her for the effort she has put in to help me achieve results that no physicians, dieticians, specialist nurses have managed. I have now been on this diet for 17 weeks and the results have been astounding. I am now trying to cut down my carbohydrates to about 50g a day and of course reduce my insulin further.

It has taken me this long to realise that as a diabetic. I don’t have a problem with fat, protein, salt etc. but I most certainly do have a problem with carbohydrate. For me there is no such thing as “good carbohydrate” All carbohydrate affects my condition adversely

The diet that I am on now will no doubt make the low fat merchants cringe. I have good helpings of meat and eat all the fat, I don’t cut the skin off chicken. I eat loads of eggs and use dairy produce. I eat plenty of vegetables but avoid those with high carbohydrate content and do you know what for the first time that I can remember I don’t feel constantly hungry. My blood sugars are now practically normal (5-8 mmol/l) although I do have to watch for the odd hypo and believe it or not I have lost a couple of pounds in weight. I have considerably reduced my insulin. I now intend to cut out yet more carbohydrates from my diet and continue to reduce my insulin. As far as the hypos are concerned I now realise I don’t need to increase my intake of carbohydrate. I need to reduce my insulin. I am now 67 years old and for the first time in many years, no thanks to the “healthcare professionals”, I am at long last learning to control my diabetes.

John

JOA

Dennis · Nov 19, 2007

John,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I have rapidly been coming to the same conclusion that you seem to have already reached - that the dietary information espoused by the medical authorities both here and in the US is completely wrong. And that includes Diabetes UK who are still adamant that we must cut out nearly all saturated fat and replace it with a combination of unsaturated fat and carbohydrate.

You do wonder just what pressures are actually behind all these official recommendations. The Canadian government for example has recently banned the advertising of all low-carb diets as potentially dangerous to public health. What is Canada's main product? WHEAT. What is the basis of most refined carbohydrates eaten in the western world? WHEAT. Well, what a surprise - just who'se health is at threat here, the consumer or the taxes generated from the healthy profits of the wheat producers.

I have just been looking at some of the studies done on low-carb diets and most of their results show the lowest carb intake having the greatest benefit. In particular the Stanford University research looks very interesting, although they took the Atkins diet as their low-carb test, rather than the Bernstein diet which is almost no carb! I would certainly trust the Stanford results over others I have seen because the research was not specifically funded by any bodies who would have a vested interest in the outcome.

Personally I intend to look at the Bernstein diet and see if it would work for me. Some of these diets can be difficult to follow when you are at work and have limited access to either shops or catering. In Dr Bernstein's book The Diabetes Solution he describes pretty much the same journey that you have made in going back to the sort of diet that the western world had 50 and more years ago, a time when there was no obesity epidemic and no diabetes epidemic - coincidence or what? As our American colleagues would say - go figure!

Good luck with your own food regime. Please keep us informed on your progress.

Blackcurrant · Jan 4, 2008

Hi
I'm new
On the subject of Diamaxol, my father has type 2 diabetes and has been taking diamaxol for well over a year, as well as metformin. He added it because the metformin alone was not working smoothly. He has done very well since and noticed an improvement. He can walk further, and doesn't get hypo nearly so easily as before on metformin alone. There had been some excitement about his eyes, but at a hospital appointment he was sent home with "I don't know why they've sent you to us,you're fine". He is diabetic as a side effect of taking testosterone suppression to keep his prostate cancer in check, and so his condition will continue, but the suppliers say that usually Diamaxol addresses insulin resistance and over time you may not need to keep taking it, so they are not trying to hook you in for life, not for Type 2 at any rate. A good point I hope.

He also takes another product from the same company, to combat high cholesterol -cholestasys. He was prescribed statins but decided to use this instead. He never got up the courage to tell his doctor the marvellous results were down to a bunch of herbs! I said he should because if he should ever end up in hospital they would give him statins automatically!
Anyway - nothing but good to report this end. He's doing very well for 81 with all his problems. Or even without them I think

I don't take fright easily when the FDA and the EU rubbish alternative products. I don't entirely trust their motives I'm afraid. I looked at the ingredients here, researched them seperately and reckoned these products were worth a try. So far very good.

There has been mention of tablets not being sent out from the US supplier(another strand on diamaxol, now locked). Dad had that experience, but it was because the company had labelled the contents as cinnamon, which it contains. It was stopped! It occurs to me to wonder whether Spices are suss at customs these days. I saw a TV programme where some Pakistanis buying bulk spices were having trouble with police anti terrorist investigators! Ingredients for more than curry maybe

Also I sent my Aussie father-in-law some anti-inflammatory herbs for his shoulder tendonitis and their customs ripped open the packet, *******ysed :?

word stupidly sensored because someone fears I'm talking about bottoms! Substitute "looked closely in a lab at")the capsules which arrived over a month late!

Don't be scared

Blackcurrant · Jan 4, 2008

as an afterthought

"Because the FDA has approved Diamaxol as a supplement, at least we know that it can’t hurt."

Dennis · Jan 4, 2008

Hi Blackcurrant,

Welcome to the forum. The information you find from contributors on here is based on what they have experienced themselves or learned from other sources (friends, colleagues, news articles, internet, etc). What you get from us is simply opinion. The only exception is Admin, who has a responsibility to ensure that so-called diabetic products that use misleading advertising are not peddled on this site. After all this site is run by Diabetes UK and they can't be seen to be endorsing dubious products.

I have no personal experience of Diamaxol and my comments are based solely on what I have read about the product. It is NOT endorsed by the FDA - as the makers now claim it to be a supplement rather than a medicine, it now simply falls outside of FDA jurisdiction. FDA's view on its effectiveness remains the same - and, like all drugs tested by FDA, it was independently tested by a laboratory that is not funded by the US drug industry.

I'm very surprised to hear about your father suffering hypos because metformin CANNOT induce a hypo. Google metformin and you will find every advisory site is unanimous on this. And it certainly wouldn't be Diamaxol that would cause a hypo because it's ingredients are not capable of reducing blood glucose levels by more than a few decimal points. Sounds like he should get the cause of the hypos checked out.

To some extent I agree with you about the rubbishing of alternative products, particularly when it comes from the established medical profession. It is only in very recent times that a few enlightened doctors have reluctantly come to accept what the rest of the world has known for years about homeopathic treatments. However, I wouldn't include the FDA in this group as I am not aware of their ever banning a "natural" substance unless they had proof that it did not do what the makers claimed of it. Surely that can't be wrong?

If you want to blow your money on Diamaxol that is your choice, but there are far more effective and PROVEN alternatives to conventional medicines that really do lower glucose levels significantly. Check out "the Cure" elsewhere on this forum. Or get hold of a copy of Dr Bernstein's book "Dr Bernstein's Diabetic Solution" and be prepared to see diabetes and its treatment from a totally different perspective.

BTW the Pakistani family arrested for overstocking on domestic spices - it was fiction. It was a play on TV. It didn't really happen.

ellis47 · Jan 18, 2008

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by administrator
 An answer to many diabetics questions comes with the following news article:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2006/Oct ... betes.html

I propose we use this thread to name and shame those companies that may be misleading diabetics with their advertising.

Anyone wanna lead here?
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hi i seen your post in the forum
iv been on insulin for years just about killed me
iv looked in to
Diamaxol
and what i found out is what the make up is and
it's all hurbs it will not work over night it will start working and sowing it works
over several weeks i know iv not bought the tablet
but as i'm living in the uk and you can only buy the Diamaxol
over the net i bought all the ingredients and make my own
there are 8 items in it and they all go back as treatment hundreds of years.
even if your on
prescribe drugs you should that there's any way as they all help in some way.

the top dog in the tablet is gymnema sylvestre very old herbal use for sugar
little info for you on it buy the way not sure how to leave a posting on the site as just joined
right there are 8 in the Diamaxol tab easy to use one tab but i buy all of them and more make my
own saves money. if there is any one out there that thinks it won't help and only your doctor
can help ok that's up to you but one in three will end their live early on this Metformin
and i know my self insulin is the beginning to the end as it will end your life.
so i for one have opened my eyes.
Gymnema Sylvestre

A Harvard study indicates the Gymnema can lower blood sugar levels in Type 1
and Type 2 diabetics. A King's College, London, study states that Gymnema acts
by increasing cell permatibility, therefore reducing insulin resistance.
This Ayurvedic herb helps balance blood sugar, control cravings and thus aids
weight loss. As well as being a well used weight loss remedy its therapeutic
use is as an anti-diabetic aid.

This clever herb blocks intestinal absorption of sugar and lowers blood sugar
levels gradually and naturally. It does this by preventing adrenaline from
stimulating the liver, which then goes on to produce excess glucose.

It also abolishes the taste of sugar, giving it an ideal anti-craving effect;
it does this by lowering serum cholesterol and triglycerides.

Much research has been done into its use with type 1 and 2 diabetes.
It appears this herb is successful in controlling blood sugar levels,
whilst maintaining healthy glucose levels, and promoting proper
pancreatic function. It is able to promote the regeneration of
beta-cells responsible for releasing insulin in the pancreas and
has the capacity to normalise blood sugars without the use of
insulin or oral medications. Very interesting results and
Gymnema Sylvestre would be worthy of more research for personal use in diabetes.

SUGGESTED USE - Take 1 or 2 grams twice daily with meals.
Allow several weeks for benefits
the other items in the tab
Banaba
Huckleberry
Zinc
Biotin
Fenugreek
if your interested there are more hurbs out there
that will treat all the different things that comes with diabetes
i. e eye sight nerve damage and so on by the way i don't work for a company that sells this i just won't sit back and let the doctors kill me any more
ellis

Feb 15, 2008

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by carefix
 

I propose we use this thread to name and shame those companies that may be misleading diabetics with their advertising.

Anyone wanna lead here?

OK. I name Bayer HealthCare who recommend the consumption of vegetable oils such as sunflower oil in their leaflet advising on diet for people suffering from Diabetes and Heart Disease. While there is nothing wrong with these oils unless they are hydrogenated I have been unable to find any of their recommended oils in the UK which are not hydrogenated. If you follow the advice of Bayer HealthCare without finding trans fat free oils your diabetes and heart disease will get worse and they will get richer selling you their diabetic and heart disease "Care" products.

For those who do not yet know Type 2 diabetes is a man made disease caused by synthetic non natural trans-fats produced during the hydrogenation of vegetable oils. Diabetes II was discovered in 1933 just 22 years after the commercial introduction of hydrogenation. Since then it has made the drugs companies and medical profession very rich. It can be reversed by removing trans fats from the diet and replacing them by natural cis fats. Anything else is a scam.

STOP THE GENOCIDE

John

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Lynda Kay · Feb 27, 2008

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dennis
 John,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I have rapidly been coming to the same conclusion that you seem to have already reached - that the dietary information espoused by the medical authorities both here and in the US is completely wrong. And that includes Diabetes UK who are still adamant that we must cut out nearly all saturated fat and replace it with a combination of unsaturated fat and carbohydrate.

You do wonder just what pressures are actually behind all these official recommendations. The Canadian government for example has recently banned the advertising of all low-carb diets as potentially dangerous to public health. What is Canada's main product? WHEAT. What is the basis of most refined carbohydrates eaten in the western world? WHEAT. Well, what a surprise - just who'se health is at threat here, the consumer or the taxes generated from the healthy profits of the wheat producers.

I have just been looking at some of the studies done on low-carb diets and most of their results show the lowest carb intake having the greatest benefit. In particular the Stanford University research looks very interesting, although they took the Atkins diet as their low-carb test, rather than the Bernstein diet which is almost no carb! I would certainly trust the Stanford results over others I have seen because the research was not specifically funded by any bodies who would have a vested interest in the outcome.

Personally I intend to look at the Bernstein diet and see if it would work for me. Some of these diets can be difficult to follow when you are at work and have limited access to either shops or catering. In Dr Bernstein's book The Diabetes Solution he describes pretty much the same journey that you have made in going back to the sort of diet that the western world had 50 and more years ago, a time when there was no obesity epidemic and no diabetes epidemic - coincidence or what? As our American colleagues would say - go figure!

Good luck with your own food regime. Please keep us informed on your progress.

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Hay Dennis and John,

I too came to this conclusion several years back when I read Dr. Atkins book for weight lose purposes and then discovered the health benefits of it for our whole family. Dr. Atkins was touted a "quack" and "be careful of his dangerous diet".

The medical professionals had my husband on 300 carbs a day, no fat, and very low protien. It almost killed him!

Diabetes is a very profitable business. Could it also be a means of population control along with the many other western culture diseases?

Happy Trails,
Proverbs 17:22

Dennis · Feb 27, 2008

Hi Lynda,

From my contacts with your fellow countrymen I would say your open-minded attitude and willingness to challenge authority is unusual. There seems to be very much an attitude of "the doctors know best - they are the experts".

I did get the Dr Bernsteins books for Christmas and I have to say they have opened up my mind to the realities of diabetes and all that is wrong with conventional treatment. I think they should be compulsory reading for everyone newly diagnosed! Unfortunately, as I had suspected earlier, the diet is difficult to follow rigidly, but I would say I follow it more than 50% and am seeing good results in both my BG levels and general fitness and wellbeing.

Administrator · Feb 27, 2008

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After all this site is run by Diabetes UK

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