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Over Diagnosis?

I havnt been told that it is my fault I have DB because I eat too much or ate too many sweets as a child .I have been told that I cant have DB cause I am too thin . So there :twisted:
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mep73 said:
I get annoyed at how it's promoted that type 2 is due to lifestyle..... what they fail to tell the public is that the 'lifestyle' bit only accounts for 60% of diagnosed type 2 cases. I'm a person that fits into the remaining 40% but we never get a mention do we :roll: .... type 2 isn't just caused by lifestyle... that's a myth.
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I don't agree that "lifestyle choices" account for 60% of T2 diabetics. I'm not convinced that anyone chooses to be obese, and you'd have to be pretty stupid to choose to be a diabetic.

Not all T2 Diabetics are obese.
Not all obese people are diabetic.
Obese T2 Diabetics that lose weight are still diabetic.
 
Am I the only one thinking that the thread has probably gone on long enough? I think the vast majority agree that it's incredibly insulting, and wrong, to imply that we brought diabetes on ourselves through over-indulgence. Can't say it any other way.
 
FergusCrawford said:
Grazer,
[mod edit daisy1 inappropriate remark removed from quote of another member]
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The original poster is still getting his kicks because it is still being debated and people are getting very personal on this thread. :thumbdown:
 
This thread has been reopened for the topic to hopefully remain on topic track.
Please discuss the topic headed and not get personal as it just ruins things.
Anna.
 
The original poster is irrelevant here. Jopar touched a raw nerve . I agree that she couldn't have meant "over-indulgence " in the

self indulgent sense. After all , most people who may be overweight upon diagnosis are only eating the same diet as the general population or , in the case of some of us already eat what we see as a "healthy " diet but which is not necessarily the best diet to control diabetes. Until we are diagnosed and /or begin to learn how diet affects us individually we may indeed "over-indulge" with regard o our condition.
I think Borofergie and xyzzy were anxious for Jo to clarify her statement for anyone reading this thread.
This is a very emotive issue. We all sufffer from these misconceptions. As cart says even if you are of normal or underweight
you suffer . I am constantly told that I "cannnot be diabetic" because I am slim. Otr that I must only be "midly diabetic" not like so-and-so who is a "proper diabetic " on INSULIBN " and he /she eatss ANYTHING!
The implocaion being that I am behaving like a hypochondriac by watching my carbs. This is generally followed by "but you always WERE a fussy eater". This relates to the fact that I have followed he GI route for many years.

Posters always welcome the chance o let off steam on this issue. I can understand the concern when one of "our own " appears
to be supporting this nonsense but I think this is a misundrerstanding. I agree with Grazer and catherine that his thread has the potential to become too personal.
Might I sugges that if anyone wants to discuss the extremely annoying and upsettinhg subject of stereotyping they might like to start a new thread ?

Mr LS may be enjoying all this but it may also be helpful for some readers to understand that we all suffer from sereotypes and that they are not alone. If these people manage o stifle discussion then hat is another form of victory for them
 
Jopar, xyzzy and myself were simply having an intelligent conversation on the causes of T2 Diabetes. There was nothing personal about it. Simply asking someone to justify a position that they have openly stated doesn't constitute a personal attack, and I think that I know Jo well enough to state that she enjoys robust debate and wouldn't construe any of the discussion above as personal in any way.
 
borofergie said:
mep73 said:
I get annoyed at how it's promoted that type 2 is due to lifestyle..... what they fail to tell the public is that the 'lifestyle' bit only accounts for 60% of diagnosed type 2 cases. I'm a person that fits into the remaining 40% but we never get a mention do we :roll: .... type 2 isn't just caused by lifestyle... that's a myth.
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I don't agree that "lifestyle choices" account for 60% of T2 diabetics. I'm not convinced that anyone chooses to be obese, and you'd have to be pretty stupid to choose to be a diabetic.

Not all T2 Diabetics are obese.
Not all obese people are diabetic.
Obese T2 Diabetics that lose weight are still diabetic.
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Yeah true Borofergie... they're just statistics that we get told about here in this country. But my point really is that they don't discuss the full findings of why people get diabetes. Type 2 constantly gets the 'lifestyle' wrap thing here... nothing else is ever mentioned... basically telling the public that type 2 is self imposed. And you're right... regardless of the reasons... we didn't ask for it anyhow. :)
 
Ah Catherine, how long is a piece of string? No, I'm not having a go but I am suffering from general "pffft-ness" towards the whole thing. It is an interesting link by the way but I fear we will never know for sure, just like the rise in diagnosed asthma cases.

Re the OP and the posts thereafter - well, can't make head nor tail of the point the OP was trying to make. Piddling waffle about the numbers and mis-diagnosis..oh please. I would rather be told that I had a risky number and given advice on how I could possibly reduce that number than be left to topple headlong into diabetes.

Over-indulgence..ah yes, the old chestnut, bless it's cotton socks. I can't produce links to studies (I leave that to the very capable others) but I am type 2. I am also overweight. I was also on long term corticosteroid treatment which I now know could have helped me on my way to t2. I have long term anxiety issues, stress, agoraphobia, depression. All of these apparently can raise bg's.

My mum is 91, has had more critical illnesses that you could shake a stick at including heart valve failure and colon cancer. She is type 2 on Gliclazide. She wouldn't thank you for fast food, tries to turn off the Tv with the cordless phone and looks at the microwave with the highest degree of suspicion. She wouldn't know what to do with a ready meal if you paid her. She prepares all her own fresh food, eats plenty of fish and not too much meat, has loads of veg especially green leafies. She doesn't "snack" and is not overweight.

My daughter has numerous medical conditions, she is obese due to the syndrome that she has. She is on Metformin, Insulin and Lantus plus Levothyroxine, Simvaststatin 80mg, Hormone Replacement Therapy, and Growth hormone. Type 2 dignosed 4 years ago.

A young lady who I shall call K, lives at the same residential hospital unit as my daughter. She is 26, very slim actually underweight, has major mental health issues and is type 2 on Metformin plus a load of other meds.

I don't know what's causing it and to say I don't care is not really true. What I do care about is that we are treated as individuals who happen to have diabetes and not lumped into some bl**dy category because it suits HCP's to do so.
Until such times that we are told there is cure for this condition, a real cure that can be scientifically proven over a number of years then I beleive the most important thing is to keep levels as low as we can manage it by whatever means works for us individually.

Give us the tools and let us make our choices -enough already with the theories. :roll:
 
Thank you for posting that ladybird64.

it seems to be the fashion right now for the media and medical 'experts' to blame everyone they can for their conditions, and select whatever figures and sound bites they can to grab headlines.

Then, when they refuse us treatment, they can justify it by saying we dont deserve medical help because it is our fault. And the public will applaud them because they have been brainwashed into believing these experts and media headlines.
 
lucylocket61 said:
Thank you for posting that ladybird64.

it seems to be the fashion right now for the media and medical 'experts' to blame everyone they can for their conditions, and select whatever figures and sound bites they can to grab headlines.

Then, when they refuse us treatment, they can justify it by saying we dont deserve medical help because it is our fault. And the public will applaud them because they have been brainwashed into believing these experts and media headlines.
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That is no different to people believing all their GP and DSN tells diabetics though. Then the patient follows the NHS guidelines, gets fatter and fatter complications come thick and fast and the media can then say "told you so". It's people like us in this forum who can stand up and say the advice is wrong, and the care given is wrong. I am 2 and a half stones lighter since diagnosis, but that is by going completely against NHS advice, buying my own meter and using it, and also cutting carbs in my diet. I wonder what the press would say about me, and the many like me here on this forum?
 
I think it's actually important for people to get tested at my work we do a free test and sometimes not often we pick up people with as high as 24. We offer advice and anything below 7 we say is fine above we ask to come back in x amount of weeks if it's been a fasting one. There's a certain level we would send to their gp. And suggest people get checked every 3 years.
 
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