Pre- Diabetes Concern

faceandedge

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I am a 56 year old male who has generally high cholesterol levels, averaging around 6.0 and as such I try to have a blood test every few years, just to see if any dietary changes have had an effect on reducing my readings. At present I have not been prescribed Statins.
Last week on picking up my results, my doctor informed me - I had above range Haemoglobin at 42 mmol/mol which I have to say was rather shocking and slightly baffling.
I say baffling as I am 6ft tall 12 stone certainly not overweight, keen cyclist commute 50-70 miles a week and I have an exceptionally heathy diet, based on fresh vegetables, pulses, nuts, fish, chicken, I don't eat red meat, I don't drink and have never smoked.
So where did I go wrong?!
My other concern is I don't think I have much to go at in terms of reducing my HbA1c level.
On the plus side my friends are having a ball, with the irony of their fitness obsessed friend being border line diabetic..
Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Safi

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I am a 56 year old male who has generally high cholesterol levels, averaging around 6.0 and as such I try to have a blood test every few years, just to see if any dietary changes have had an effect on reducing my readings. At the present I have not been prescribed Statins.
Last week on picking up my results, my doctor informed me - I had above range Haemoglobin at 42 mmol/mol which I have to say was rather shocking and slightly baffling.
I say baffling as I am 6ft tall 12 stone certainly not overweight, keen cyclist commute 50-70 miles a week and I have an exceptionally heathy diet, based on fresh vegetables, pulses, nuts, fish, chicken, I don't eat red meat, I don't drink and have never smoked.
So where did I go wrong?!
My other concern is I don't think I have much to go at in terms of reducing my HbA1c level.
On the plus side my friends are having a ball, with the irony of their fitness obsessed friend being border line diabetic..
Any help would be much appreciated.

Happens to the best of us I'm afraid! Something like 20% of diabetics were not overweight at diagnosis but that rarely gets a mention so I can see why your friends are amused/bemused. I was also thin, very active & ate a 'healthy' vegetarian diet so it was all a bit baffling - I've since learned that carbohydrate intolerance doesn't discriminate. I'll tag @daisy1 who will be along with some information to get you started. Good luck :)
 
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You didn't go wrong anywhere. You're prediabetic and that's plain ol' bad luck. Diabetes is not necessarily a self inflicted condition. Don't beat yourself up, stick around here and learn how to manage it. It isn't as bad as it first seems.
Have fun,
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Could be that "exceptionally healthy diet" isn't very healthy for Type 2?
Want to give us a few meal examples and we may be able to help.
 

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Sure here's todays:

Breakfast - Porridge with skimmed milk , about 5 prunes ( which I may now leave out) one cup of tea

Lunch - Smoked Mackerel with a mixed salad of watercress, avocado, tomato, several olives, half a pepper, quinoa, green lentils, cannelloni beans, quarter of a pomegranate, olive oil with cider vinegar dressing.

Snack - about 10 Almonds

Dinner - Salmon pan fried in Olive oil, with above salad.

Probably about 8 cups of weak tea, with skimmed milk throughout day.
 

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OK so ... porridge and prunes would have my blood sugar through the roof, into the teens I suspect, especially in the morning when most of us are more carb sensitive.
Quinoa and beans/lentils can be a bit suspect along with the pomegranate.
Skimmed milk can also be quite carby but that will depend on how much you have in your tea.
Its a pain but it may be worth trying to compile a food diary for a couple of weeks logging everything you take in with in depth nutrition data so you can see how many carbs you are having.
For me your diet would be too low in fat to provide satiety so I'd probably end up hungry.
 

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Shows how different we all are. Unlike Bulkbiker, I'm fine with porridge. It must be the old style rolled oats that you soak overnight though and less than 50g. Those instant oats are, unfortunately, instant sugar. You may find the same thing in that all porridges are not equal. May I ask the reason for skimmed milk. Are you on kJ restrictions ?
 

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Is it just your total cholesterol that is high or do you also have high triglycerides? If the triglycerides are also high its another good sign that you're consuming more carbohydrates than your body can tolerate.

As per bulkbiker & Crocodile you can see that different types of carbs impact people differently. A good place to start is by getting a blood glucose meter & testing your blood sugar 1 hr & again 2 hours after meals.
 

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@faceandedge

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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faceandedge

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OK so ... porridge and prunes would have my blood sugar through the roof, into the teens I suspect, especially in the morning when most of us are more carb sensitive.
Quinoa and beans/lentils can be a bit suspect along with the pomegranate.
Skimmed milk can also be quite carby but that will depend on how much you have in your tea.
Its a pain but it may be worth trying to compile a food diary for a couple of weeks logging everything you take in with in depth nutrition data so you can see how many carbs you are having.
For me your diet would be too low in fat to provide satiety so I'd probably end up hungry.

That's interesting, I have to say I get through a lot of milk probably about 1.75 Litres / day.
I will now as you suggest keep a food diary, I have ordered a blood glucose monitor and I'll try to establish where exactly I'm going wrong.
Up to now my diet has been tailored to be cholesterol friendly, I guess its finding a way to satisfy both now.
I appreciate your help .
 

faceandedge

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Shows how different we all are. Unlike Bulkbiker, I'm fine with porridge. It must be the old style rolled oats that you soak overnight though and less than 50g. Those instant oats are, unfortunately, instant sugar. You may find the same thing in that all porridges are not equal. May I ask the reason for skimmed milk. Are you on kJ restrictions ?

I just buy Tesco basic rolled oats, I didn't realise there was a great deal of difference to be honest, aren't the instant expensive oats just oats milled finer?
Always been on skimmed just to reduce my fat content I guess, I find full fat milk far too creamy now.
I will look into your oats though, I would initially be reluctant to give them up due in part to the cholesterol benefits, however this is all a new learning curve.
 

faceandedge

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Is it just your total cholesterol that is high or do you also have high triglycerides? If the triglycerides are also high its another good sign that you're consuming more carbohydrates than your body can tolerate.

As per bulkbiker & Crocodile you can see that different types of carbs impact people differently. A good place to start is by getting a blood glucose meter & testing your blood sugar 1 hr & again 2 hours after meals.

My Triglycerides are 0.6 mol /l I don't have any guidelines, so I would welcome your help? Is that high?
 

Safi

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According to the ranges from my lab (0 - 2) that's fantastic. People often use triglycerides as a proxy marker for insulin resistance so it may be that your doctor has caught it nice & early in the process & that you will have more dietary leeway than someone further along. Your blood glucose meter will come in very handy in this regard.
 

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That's interesting, I have to say I get through a lot of milk probably about 1.75 Litres / day.
I will now as you suggest keep a food diary, I have ordered a blood glucose monitor and I'll try to establish where exactly I'm going wrong.
Up to now my diet has been tailored to be cholesterol friendly, I guess its finding a way to satisfy both now.
I appreciate your help .
I'm afraid a lot of what is spouted about cholesterol is pure bunkum in my opinion. Most doctors know little about it or it's function in the body yet seem very happy to start regulation of an essential part of the body's make up with drugs. its almost criminal.
 

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An A1c of 42 is borderline high normal/low Pre Diabetes. A few tweaks and some awareness will soon have you back well within the non Diabetes range. As to the cholesterol numbers, it is the HDL to Triglycerides ratio that is important. Your Total Cholesterol number is meaningless.
 

Crocodile

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0.6 trigs is pretty good. Full fat milk is only 4% fat anyway. It is the finer milling on quick oats that causes rapid digestion.
Of course skimming the fat out of the milk just means the sugar concentration rises. Look at what the LDL level is in that 6% cholesterol. Must be OK or your sawbones would have you on a statin before your feet hit the pedals.
Good luck.
Glenn
 

faceandedge

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According to the ranges from my lab (0 - 2) that's fantastic. People often use triglycerides as a proxy marker for insulin resistance so it may be that your doctor has caught it nice & early in the process & that you will have more dietary leeway than someone further along. Your blood glucose meter will come in very handy in this regard.

Thanks, well thats good news!
I have to say I do feel better now that I have got over the initial shock of pre- diabetes.
Hopefully with the blood glucose meter I should be able to structure a better diet.
I appreciate your help, thank you .
 
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