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Professor Roy Taylor

We will have to disagree. The curve in obesity and the correlative track since the late seventies and eighties does not need a PHD to interpret in my view. I would extend the causes to be

- Sugar
- Sodas
- Vegetable oils
- Modern carbs (GM based corns, flour, grains)
- Starchy carbs
- Processed foods with the above

I feel confident that if these were curtailed I.e. the 80% which are on foods in our supermarkets, health outcomes across the globe would. I'm afraid I can't be persuaded that a glass of pure Orange juice with over 12 teaspoons of sugar, or a bagel or four but is great. The clincher for me is the times when I see non diabetics getting spikes eating this so called normal food, and then lastly when diabetics remove this non essential carbage and at least 70% of all markers improve.
 
I think we are talking at cross purposes.

I agree that these carbs, in the form and quantity our modern world provides, are bad and cause obesity.

I do not agree that they cause type 2 diabetes, of themselves.

They make type 2 worse. They can trigger type 2 in those who, without such processed carbs in such quantities, may not have gone on to develop type 2 diabetes, despite their latent susceptibility to it.
But they do not cause type 2 diabetes in those who do not have whatever it is which does not function properly and makes type 2 diabetes happen.
 
I agree re processed carbs. During the war years their food was heavily carb based but unprocessed bread, potatoes to fill them up. But most protein was strictly rationed. I can remember my dad telling me about a pie his mum used to make filled witb potatoes and root veg. Had a funny name woolworths pie or something like that! Also i think i remember seeing something about diabetes on the increase in countries like Japan, who were previously healthy on a largely rice based diet, but are now getting fatter and increase in diabetes now they are adopting a western processed and fast food diet.
 
Remember that in the war people lost weight as even carbs were rationed.
 
Taken from the Wiki link:

Using 1938 food production data, they fed themselves and other volunteers one egg, one pound of meat and four ounces of fish a week; one quarter pint (0.14 litre) of milk a day; four ounces of margarine; and unlimited amounts of potatoes, vegetables and wholemeal bread. Two weeks of intensive outdoor exercise simulated the strenuous wartime physical work Britons would likely have to perform. The scientists found that the subjects' health and performance remained very good after three months; the only negative results were the increased time needed for meals to consume the necessary calories from bread and potatoes, and what they described as a "remarkable" increase in flatulence from the large amount of starch in the diet.

Another good reason for LCHF
 
Even better!!!!

Weekly supplementary allowances of rationed foods for invalids
Disease Food supplementary allowance Quantity Coupons to be surrendered
Diabetes Butter and margarine 12 oz (340 g) (not more than 4 oz (110 g) butter) Sugar
Diabetes Meat 2s. 4d., adult 1s, 2d., child under six Sugar
Diabetes—vegetarians only Cheese 8 oz (230 g) Sugar
Hypoglycaemia Sugar 16 oz (450 g) -
Steatorrhoea Meat 4s. 8d. adult, 2s. 4d. child under six Butter and margarine
Nephritis with gross
albuminuria and gross oedema,
also nephrosis Meat 3s. 6d. adult, 1s. 9d. child under six
 
I don't have any experience of dealing with hypos but an additional 1lb of sugar a week seems a lot!
 
hyperinsulinism caused by refined carbohydrate.
 
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