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LadyLovely

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Diagnosed around 6 weeks ago when having blood tests for unexplained pain in my upper back.

Along with high blood sugar levels, my cholesterol is also high.

I was sent a print out by the surgery telling me to lose weight, stop drinking and smoking. I'm 5'6" and have never weighed more than 9.5 stone. I'm currently just under 9st. I consider my lifestyle choices to be healthy. I drink rarely, do not smoke, and eat healthily. My diet consists of wholegrain foods in preference to processed, lots of fruit, salad and veg, a little chicken and fish but no red meat. I don't exercise specifically but do walk every day and swim occasionally.

After a second blood test the GP called to say that I was definitely type2 diabetic and I explained how shocked I was at this given what I considered to be healthy lifestyle choices. She said it could be hereditary.

I'm booked in to see a diabetic nurse next week but have not seen a GP face to face.

I'm over the shock at being diagnosed but I'm very puzzled by it.

Is it normal to be diagnosed with hereditary type 2 diabetes in your 60s?

Should I follow the 5:2 diet even though I don't need to lose weight?
 
@LadyLovely This coild be me! I had no idea I was diabetic, just had a free NHS health check. I too was normal weight for my height; I was almost 70 and I have never seen a Dr in the almost 3 years since diagnosis. Rest of your post fits me too. Hope you get things sorted, I still struggle and am changing my metformin to slow release once a bay from normal twice a day to see if it helps as I can't keep my BG in the normal range if I eat!
 
Hello and welcome,

Have you any idea what your blood sugar levels were at diagnosis? I assume you had an HbA1c test. It is important you know what the results were as this is your starting point. You also need to know your full cholesterol levels (HDL/LDL/Triglycerides). If you don't know these, then ask for a full print out of the test results, or ask if your surgery puts test results on-line and how to register for this.

It will have been a shock for you, and the media is to blame. Not every Type 2 diabetic is overweight, but we are all labelled as obese and lazy eating dreadful diets. It isn't true!

What you call a healthy diet is not so healthy for diabetics I'm afraid. It isn't just sugar, it is also carbohydrate that raises blood sugar levels, and that includes bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, breakfast cereals, porridge, and anything containing flour. Wholemeal is just the same. We also need to be careful with fruit (especially juices) and milk.

I am tagging @daisy1 to come along and post the information given to all newly diagnosed. Have a read. It is full of very useful information. Meanwhile, read round the forums and also the main website www.diabetes.co.uk

Can I just add that your profile states you are pre-diabetic. As you have been diagnosed as diabetic Type 2 this may confuse people when giving you advice. You can change this in your profile settings.
 
@LadyLovely This coild be me! I had no idea I was diabetic, just had a free NHS health check. I too was normal weight for my height; I was almost 70 and I have never seen a Dr in the almost 3 years since diagnosis. Rest of your post fits me too. Hope you get things sorted, I still struggle and am changing my metformin to slow release once a bay from normal twice a day to see if it helps as I can't keep my BG in the normal range if I eat!

Thanks Arab Horse. At least I'm not alone!
 
Hello and welcome,

Have you any idea what your blood sugar levels were at diagnosis? I assume you had an HbA1c test. It is important you know what the results were as this is your starting point. You also need to know your full cholesterol levels (HDL/LDL/Triglycerides). If you don't know these, then ask for a full print out of the test results, or ask if your surgery puts test results on-line and how to register for this.

It will have been a shock for you, and the media is to blame. Not every Type 2 diabetic is overweight, but we are all labelled as obese and lazy eating dreadful diets. It isn't true!

What you call a healthy diet is not so healthy for diabetics I'm afraid. It isn't just sugar, it is also carbohydrate that raises blood sugar levels, and that includes bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, breakfast cereals, porridge, and anything containing flour. Wholemeal is just the same. We also need to be careful with fruit (especially juices) and milk.

I am tagging @daisy1 to come along and post the information given to all newly diagnosed. Have a read. It is full of very useful information. Meanwhile, read round the forums and also the main website www.diabetes.co.uk

Can I just add that your profile states you are pre-diabetic. As you have been diagnosed as diabetic Type 2 this may confuse people when giving you advice. You can change this in your profile settings.
 
Thanks for your helpful post Bluetit1802. I presumed I was prediabetic but after second blood test GP advised type2. Can't see how to change the status in my profile but will try later. My blood sugar readings were 7 but I don't have the HbA1c result but will ask for it on Monday as the GP did say this result confirmed the type2 diagnosis. HDL 3.2 LDL 2.9 Triglyceride 0.94.
 
Thanks for your helpful post Bluetit1802. I presumed I was prediabetic but after second blood test GP advised type2. Can't see how to change the status in my profile but will try later. My blood sugar readings were 7 but I don't have the HbA1c result but will ask for it on Monday as the GP did say this result confirmed the type2 diagnosis. HDL 3.2 LDL 2.9 Triglyceride 0.94.

You need to look in "personal details" to find the type of diabetes choices.

Goodness, your lipids are good! I expect you were warned it is high because your total will be high (6.5?) The only reason for your total being high is because your HDL is so good, and that is the good cholesterol. The total means nothing on its own. It is the breakdown and ratios that matter. There are plenty of informative threads on the forums about cholesterol if you have a search. I certainly would not be worried about those cholesterol levels.

Keep reading, and ask any questions you may have.
 
The GP advised going on statins for the cholesterol but I said I wanted to think about that one. A previous GP said the same as you that the good outweighed the bad but I don't have those particular readings that he was referring to. I've recently moved county and have discovered that I've registered with the surgery with the worst reputation and now I'm beginning to see why! I'll do as you say and keep reading!
 
The GP advised going on statins for the cholesterol but I said I wanted to think about that one. A previous GP said the same as you that the good outweighed the bad but I don't have those particular readings that he was referring to. I've recently moved county and have discovered that I've registered with the surgery with the worst reputation and now I'm beginning to see why! I'll do as you say and keep reading!

Plenty of threads on statins on here, with lots of links and videos. I agree you need to do your research before taking statins.
 
I was unlucky enough to be one of those who react badly to the standard prescription of statins and Metformin, but from what I have seen so far of results from eating low carb, I never needed to have them.
Things such as grains and high sugar fruits could be the cause of high blood sugars, so eating less of them might help - Humans were never intended to eat grains anyway - they do not occur in nature and are all highly designed for high yield and resistance to chemicals and pests, and all the high sugar fruits have been bred and interbred to be bigger, sweeter or new sorts of bigger and sweeter, to sell better.
My cholesterol has dropped whilst eating low carb foods.
 
@LadyLovely/ When I was diagnosed my glucose was 18.6mmol/L and my HbA1c was 10.4! It was a real shock as I was a biochemist so knew what that meant. Your glucose of 7 is a little high if it was a fasting sample but isn't bad so cutting carbs, particularly sugary food and drinks, might work for you without too much pain; sadly it doesn't work for me.
 
@LadyLovely

Hello LadyLovely and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi. From what you say about your weight and height you are quite slim? Although you have been diagnosed as diabetic thru the HBa1C test that test does not determine whether you are T2 or late onset T1; many GPs just guess T2 and tell you to lose weight like my stupid GP did when I was stick thin. Most people diagnosed at 60 would be T2 but I was diagnosed as 'T2' at age 60 but turn out to be late onset T1. Your diet appears quite good but keep the carbs down overall even if good low-GI ones. If your blood sugar remains in the good range then fine. You may be prescribed some tablets to help. If your blood sugar continues to rise over the coming months or years then you may need to ask for the tests for T1 as the meds are different.
 
Thanks for your helpful post Bluetit1802. I presumed I was prediabetic but after second blood test GP advised type2. Can't see how to change the status in my profile but will try later. My blood sugar readings were 7 but I don't have the HbA1c result but will ask for it on Monday as the GP did say this result confirmed the type2 diagnosis. HDL 3.2 LDL 2.9 Triglyceride 0.94.
If your blood test was 7 then you are only just diabetic and may not need to change your diet to drastically just reduce portion sizes of starchy carbs and cut out sugar . A lot here do a LCHF diet ..low carb high fat...this is not the official diet that the NHS advise so many nurses and doctors do not approve of it. Many here think it is better for lowering the blood glucose. It is good for those who need to loose weight but not so good for those of us who don't because we usually loose weight anyway. I am one of those I have never been overweight in my life I do lower carb but not very low and I tend to eat smaller portions of the high carb foods like potatoes and bread and no sugar stuff...I have raised cholesterol so do not eat very high fat and I do not eat red meat my diabetes is controlled but I struggle to get my weight to where it should be my doctor says I am under weight now
 
Not everyone loses weight eating very low carb with high fat. After I lost all the weight I needed to I have maintained my current weight at under 9 stone for 2 and a half years (BMI 21), and very stable. My weight never fluctuates. Weight loss isn't inevitable.
 
Hi. From what you say about your weight and height you are quite slim? Although you have been diagnosed as diabetic thru the HBa1C test that test does not determine whether you are T2 or late onset T1; many GPs just guess T2 and tell you to lose weight like my stupid GP did when I was stick thin. Most people diagnosed at 60 would be T2 but I was diagnosed as 'T2' at age 60 but turn out to be late onset T1. Your diet appears quite good but keep the carbs down overall even if good low-GI ones. If your blood sugar remains in the good range then fine. You may be prescribed some tablets to help. If your blood sugar continues to rise over the coming months or years then you may need to ask for the tests for T1 as the meds are different.

I'm still trying to understand the low carb diet so can I ask what the 160 carb you mention is?
 
Not everyone loses weight eating very low carb with high fat. After I lost all the weight I needed to I have maintained my current weight at under 9 stone for 2 and a half years (BMI 21), and very stable. My weight never fluctuates. Weight loss isn't inevitable.
No not inevitable but it does happen with a lot of people so those new to the diet who are not overweight should be aware that it can happen
 
Just had first appointment with diabetic nurse. She is puzzled by my blood sugar readings and the Hb1Ac reading. She thinks that the Hb1Ac of 51 puts me in T2 range but that the blood sugar readings make me prediabetic. She has asked for more blood and I'm to go back in two weeks. She did say that stress can be a bit factor and I've certainly had a lot of that over the last few years.
 
Just had first appointment with diabetic nurse. She is puzzled by my blood sugar readings and the Hb1Ac reading. She thinks that the Hb1Ac of 51 puts me in T2 range but that the blood sugar readings make me prediabetic. She has asked for more blood and I'm to go back in two weeks. She did say that stress can be a bit factor and I've certainly had a lot of that over the last few years.

Which blood sugar readings are these? Are they ones taken at the surgery or your own finger pricks, and were they fasting or random?
 
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