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Michianais

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Hey, so this might be tmi but I don't really know who to talk to about this. So I went to my dr with concerns mainly for a missed period. I'm not pregnant obviously but I had blood work done and I was told my body is creating too much insulin and it was too high. They said everything else was fine. I just have high insulin, low vitamin D and glucose. She said I'm not diabetic or anything. I don't know why my insulin is high. She put me on something called metformin er 500mg. I take 3 a day and next week I'm supposed to increase it to 4x a day. I've been having stomach pains and I've puked. Is there a way I should be taking this medicine? I've been taking them all at the same time with food. Is that okay or should I spread it out to lessen the symptoms? Thank you so much!
 
Hi @Michianais and welcome to the forum.

Also congrats on having such a brilliant doc. Having high insulin levels is thought to precede the diagnosis of diabetes and high blood sugars by as much as a decade and is indicative of insulin resistance. This is why your doc prescribed metformin, which improves insulin resistance a bit. Nausea and diarrhea is a common side effect of metformin. You could ask your doc to prescribe the slow release version as this is usually gentler on the stomach.

You can also help your insulin resistance by eating foods that don't raise insulin levels as much -- as high levels of circulating insulin are thought to increase insulin resistance. The worst culprits are carbs, especially refined and processed carbs. These include bread (especially white), pasta, potatoes, rice and cereals and of course sugary foods. Regular exercise does also help with insulin resistance, but diet is probably way more important.

Many of us on this forum have adopted these measures and have achieved normal blood sugar levels. Some have also paid for having their fasting insulin levels retested -- and found that their insulin levels have normalized. I am tagging @bulkbiker and @CherryAA, who I am certain will be happy to share their experiences with you.

It is good that you found out early about this -- and can avoid the consequences of high insulin.
 
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Thank you for the explanation! I learned a lot from your post! I'll ask her about the slow release. I was just worried since it's been three weeks taking it. Maybe I'm just so impatient and hope to see no side affects. Is it okay to take them at the same time? Would it be better to take it at different times? Again thanks!
 
From what I understand about the action of Metformin it has nothing to do with the production of insulin.
It acts on the liver preventing it from releasing glucose - which from what you wrote, is not your problem.
I was really ill on the Metformin and Atorvastatin prescribed for me, so I gave up on them before I lost all will to live.
Insulin is released as a consequence of eating carbohydrate dense foods.
The more carbs, the more insulin, and the reverse is normally the case.
I find that the thought of needing to take Metformin again is a powerful assistance to my almost non existent willpower.
 
Hi @Michianais,

Everyone reacts differently to Metformin. I had problems for a few days, after this my intestines calmed down -- even though I was on a high dose.

From other posts, however, I gained the following insights. They are kinder on you if you space them out during the day and when you take them with food. So, as you take 3 tablets -- maybe have one with breakfast, one with lunch and one with dinner.

In terms the effectiveness of metformin, it doesn't really matter when you take them. The effect is cumulative over several weeks, so that maximum effectiveness is only reached after a few weeks.
 
Hi @Michianais,

Everyone reacts differently to Metformin. I had problems for a few days, after this my intestines calmed down -- even though I was on a high dose.

From other posts, however, I gained the following insights. They are kinder on you if you space them out during the day and when you take them with food. So, as you take 3 tablets -- maybe have one with breakfast, one with lunch and one with dinner.

In terms the effectiveness of metformin, it doesn't really matter when you take them. The effect is cumulative over several weeks, so that maximum effectiveness is only reached after a few weeks.
Thanks!! I'm glad I joined this place! I'm learning a lot. I'll make sure to space them out then.
 
Hey, so this might be tmi but I don't really know who to talk to about this. So I went to my dr with concerns mainly for a missed period. I'm not pregnant obviously but I had blood work done and I was told my body is creating too much insulin and it was too high. They said everything else was fine. I just have high insulin, low vitamin D and glucose. She said I'm not diabetic or anything. I don't know why my insulin is high. She put me on something called metformin er 500mg. I take 3 a day and next week I'm supposed to increase it to 4x a day. I've been having stomach pains and I've puked. Is there a way I should be taking this medicine? I've been taking them all at the same time with food. Is that okay or should I spread it out to lessen the symptoms? Thank you so much!

Hi Michianais,

I've done quite a lot of study of the consequences of having too high circulating insulin in the body . As far as I can understand it - the reason it gets too high is most likely because you have a diet which is too high in processed foods and in particular sweet things and things which have been made out of vegetable oils.

Your body needs to make insulin to deal with the consequences of your diet and it needs more of it to deal with processed foods, and sweet things. Over time if you eat too much of these food stuffs too often, then the result will be that your insulin levels do not get the chance to come down enough before you make it go up again and gradually you have more and more insulin in your body. Just like an alcoholic needs more and more drink to get the same effect , so you body reacts to insulin - in the same way, so it needs to produce more and more of it to enable to do the same thing in bringing down your blood sugar - that is then called Insulin Resistance .

At the same time because its quite a blunt instrument, sometimes that leads to producing too much and so you get both high insulin levels and low blood glucose. If blood glucose goes too low, it will make you feel ill- so its a double whammy.

Eventually a long time hence your body may develop diseases , including diabetes, but lots of other stuff as well.

Fortunately there is an easy fix for all this -

Metformin drives insulin down. but adopting a real food, lower carb diet does exactly the same thing - both without the side effects and depending how rigorously you follow it - a lot more effectively. The may find you won't need the metformin to bring your insulin under control if you simply change the components of your diet.

You can find all sorts of good recipes to achieve this on this website - the "low carb" plan, at dietdoctor.com, by eating an LCHF diet or by eating things from this list of foods instead of your current diet .


https://optimisingnutrition.com/2015/03/26/food-insulin-index/#comments

These are all items that will have a low impact on creating insulin, so if you switch your diet to them then you will find your insulin falls. The list is not complete but it will give you a good idea of where other foods you love might sit in the scheme of things .

In general terms all of these diets are called LCHF, Low carb, or ketogenic diets and do pretty much the same thing, they lower the amount of insulin your need to produce to deal with the foods you eat and thus overtime decrease the amount of insulin in your body, you will find thousands of recipes on the internet for them

Changing your levels of fasting insulin is quite a slow process ( mine fell from 20 iUI/ml to 8.3 in the SECOND 6 months of my diet) so you need to be patient and adopt the changes to diet for life not just for the short term
You mention yours is high , but no actual number so its hard to judge where you are. Ideally your insulin score should be less than 6 , but because western diets are so heavy in processed foods and vegetable oils, upto 25 is considered within a normal range .

If you would like to find out more about high levels of insulin, my blog here, sets out some of the issues.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blog-entry/a-unifying-theory-of-disease.1795/

Luckily - its seems like it might be fixable ( or certainly improveable) simply by diet and the earlier you fix it the healthier you are likely to be .

Vitamin D

Low levels of vitamin D are also connected to insulin levels in some way, though I don't think anyone has quite understood how yet. From my own research I think that vitamin D levels are intimately connected to the amount of Omega 3 you eat ( e.g. fatty fish ) and that you need to balance omega 3 with 6, by eating less processed vegetable oils at the same time.

For someone knew to this whole topic, its hard to imagine just how dramatic the changes to health can be by adopting a low carb real foods diet. Very many of us here have done so . So its all looking very optimistic!
 
Hey, so this might be tmi but I don't really know who to talk to about this. So I went to my dr with concerns mainly for a missed period. I'm not pregnant obviously but I had blood work done and I was told my body is creating too much insulin and it was too high. They said everything else was fine. I just have high insulin, low vitamin D and glucose. She said I'm not diabetic or anything. I don't know why my insulin is high. She put me on something called metformin er 500mg. I take 3 a day and next week I'm supposed to increase it to 4x a day. I've been having stomach pains and I've puked. Is there a way I should be taking this medicine? I've been taking them all at the same time with food. Is that okay or should I spread it out to lessen the symptoms? Thank you so much!
Hi Michianais. I was just wondering what blood test you had done for the Doctot to gauge Hi Insulin ? I had thought that could only be found with a specific insulin test ? Maybe someone could correct me if I am wrong ? Best regards..
 
Hi Michianais. I was just wondering what blood test you had done for the Doctot to gauge Hi Insulin ? I had thought that could only be found with a specific insulin test ? Maybe someone could correct me if I am wrong ? Best regards..
My doctor ran a lot of test for me just to check to make sure nothing was wrong. I'm looking at my lab results and there was a specific test to check that.
 
My doctor ran a lot of test for me just to check to make sure nothing was wrong. I'm looking at my lab results and there was a specific test to check that.
So do you know what your insulin level was and had you fasted before having the blood taken?
 
It was 185.5 and no I didn't. I had cereal for breakfast and a lot of water (I love water). I didn't know I was going to get blood work done since I had came for some thing else.
 
It was 185.5 and no I didn't. I had cereal for breakfast and a lot of water (I love water). I didn't know I was going to get blood work done since I had came for some thing else.

Ah ok well in that case I'm not so sure that we can say anything and am a bit surprised that your doctor did.. I'm not sure what a non fasting insulin level reading shows..
Not sure where you live but is there a chance you could maybe get the test done again and this time fast before it for 12 hours?
The water should be fine but the cereal I'm sure will have had an effect.
 
Ah ok well in that case I'm not so sure that we can say anything and am a bit surprised that your doctor did.. I'm not sure what a non fasting insulin level reading shows..
Not sure where you live but is there a chance you could maybe get the test done again and this time fast before it for 12 hours?
The water should be fine but the cereal I'm sure will have had an effect.
Even though it's still a month to go or so I have a check up on November. I can see if I can come in a bit sooner and I'll make sure to do that. I like seeing my doctor because she knows me so well and because it's the only place I know to go to really. Do you think me eating before the blood work had a big influence? I never thought about that. I get a lot of blood work done for different things and I didn't have to worry about those things.
 
Do you think me eating before the blood work had a big influence?
I really have no idea but I think it will have certainly have had some impact.. here in the UK insulin tests are not the norm and Doctors don't seem to know much about them. I had to get mine done by a specialist clinic rather than through our usual healthcare mechanism.
 
I really have no idea but I think it will have certainly have had some impact.. here in the UK insulin tests are not the norm and Doctors don't seem to know much about them. I had to get mine done by a specialist clinic rather than through our usual healthcare mechanism.
My doctor sends my blood work and they give her back the results of all the tests she asks for. I'm not sure where she takes them. I'll have to do some research and see maybe if I can get retested just to double check.
 
http://denversdietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Kraft-Curves-Cummins.png

If you look at these curves, they were created by a man who is credited with being a prominent guy to indicate that high insulin levels are indicative of future diseases - Kraft - he followed his own principles and died this year aged 95
http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2...raft-stories-from-the-world-war-ii-era-part-2 One day he will be recognised as the true genius in disease diagnosis .


You will see that the figure you have got is very high in relation to that and that will be why your doctor is worried. .

The way both glucose and insulin works, is that when you eat something the number grows relative to the starting number - so if the starting number is high and you eat something on top of that you will get a compound effect.

The critical thing for insulin is that it should return back to low levels within 2-3 hours of eating. You have to fast first to get a sensible Oral Glucose Tolernce test result, which is the test that I and @bulkbiker did . That involves multiple blood draws over 4 hours. The fasting insulin test will be a single blood draw and for that to be meaningful it needs to be done at the point your insulin has settled back down to its lowest point - i.e. after 12 hours fasting.

If you do get it retested, make sure to ask your doctor for a fasting glucose test at the same time because you can use those to check how resistant to insulin you have become. The other key numbers to want to get right will be - High HDL, low triglycerides and low GammGT and low ferritin. All of these will improve with the food recommended here.
 
Hey, so this might be tmi but I don't really know who to talk to about this. So I went to my dr with concerns mainly for a missed period. I'm not pregnant obviously but I had blood work done and I was told my body is creating too much insulin and it was too high. They said everything else was fine. I just have high insulin, low vitamin D and glucose. She said I'm not diabetic or anything. I don't know why my insulin is high. She put me on something called metformin er 500mg. I take 3 a day and next week I'm supposed to increase it to 4x a day. I've been having stomach pains and I've puked. Is there a way I should be taking this medicine? I've been taking them all at the same time with food. Is that okay or should I spread it out to lessen the symptoms? Thank you so much!

I take mine with food,I with breakfast ,1 about lunch time and 1 with a evening meal,I also follow a lchf diet.
 
Lchf has given me a new lease of life,in July my bs were so high I was refused a knee op since then I have followed a Lchf diet and have lost 21lbs and stabilised my bs.
 
http://denversdietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Kraft-Curves-Cummins.png

If you look at these curves, they were created by a man who is credited with being a prominent guy to indicate that high insulin levels are indicative of future diseases - Kraft - he followed his own principles and died this year aged 95
http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2...raft-stories-from-the-world-war-ii-era-part-2 One day he will be recognised as the true genius in disease diagnosis .


You will see that the figure you have got is very high in relation to that and that will be why your doctor is worried. .

The way both glucose and insulin works, is that when you eat something the number grows relative to the starting number - so if the starting number is high and you eat something on top of that you will get a compound effect.

The critical thing for insulin is that it should return back to low levels within 2-3 hours of eating. You have to fast first to get a sensible Oral Glucose Tolernce test result, which is the test that I and @bulkbiker did . That involves multiple blood draws over 4 hours. The fasting insulin test will be a single blood draw and for that to be meaningful it needs to be done at the point your insulin has settled back down to its lowest point - i.e. after 12 hours fasting.

If you do get it retested, make sure to ask your doctor for a fasting glucose test at the same time because you can use those to check how resistant to insulin you have become. The other key numbers to want to get right will be - High HDL, low triglycerides and low GammGT and low ferritin. All of these will improve with the food recommended here.
Whoa I didn't know that. Thanks! I remember her explaining to me that I've gained a lot of weight in a short period of time and that insulin and glucose (I think) go hand in hand. She talked about how my body isn't recognizing something (forgot) and that I'm storing fat because it thinks I'm starving myself and so I am eating more. I honestly don't know. I was just fascinated with what a tube of blood can show you. She talked a lot and I couldn't process it all. I hate asking her to repeat it. I get embarrassed. Anyways, I appreciate the explanation. I feel like I'm in science like class today with all I am learning today.
 
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