Rename Type 1 Diabetes

UPB

I appreciate what you're trying to say, unfortunately how you've chosen to express yourself and how this comes across just defies belief. No really! I am stunned...

You seem to have a very narrow view of T2 Useless Pretty Boy, have you considered the fact that insulin resistance means that more and more insulin is needed to cope with high glucose levels and all that extra insulin in the blood may well be responsible the slob like appearance of many T2's?

Oh, and BTW I am a T2 and my diabetes was caused by long term steroid use, yes I was overweight but that was a result of the steroid. Oh, and I have to use insulin so T1's aren't the only diabetics who have to have insulin.

Its not all black and white Mr Pretty Boy there are lots of shades of grey too.

I for one feel outraged to be referred to as a slob! But it's easy to be insulting behind a keyboard, I'm sure you would not accuse a T2 of being 'fat' and a 'slob' to their face. Please consider peoples feelings and stop spouting inaccurate rubbish.

EATING SUGAR DOES NOT CAUSE DIABETES :evil:

This is really old ground, we're all WELL aware of it, but:

High levels of Insulin MAKES YOU FAT. (They don't call it "The Fat Building Hormone" for nothing...)
Type 2 Diabetics have insulin resistance, SO
The pancreas puts out MORE insulin to get the glucose to the cells of a T2.
The Type 2 GETS FAT.
Insulin resistance increases, SO
the pancreas puts out MORE insulin...

Chicken and Egg. We're fooked from the beginning.

I noticed one post I left on that facebook page was taken of, Maybe it was because I asked to many questions and 1 that was not answered was about people who are both T1/T2 being welcome to that page.

Sid Bonkers raises a very valued point about being T2 but on insulin, how would that be explained by the T1's on facebook.

If both T1 and T2 are so different why were they give the same name diabetes?

Now my nephew has been T1 all his life and he is now 25 and he was disgusted at the comments on that page towards T2's.

Would it not benefit everyone, that we all worked together rather than throw insults at eachother.

Hear hear pretty boy

Suffolkboi said “Would it not benefit everyone, that we all worked together rather than throw insults at each other.”

Absolutely!

The problem some folk have with writing beneath the cloak of anonymity is that they cannot handle the freedom that this affords them and what tends to happen is that they show their true colours.

I am sure that it is only a small proportion of T1s who behave so badly towards T2s in the same way as it will be a small proportion within the general populace. It is a very great pity and I am sure that the majority of people will be horrified and deeply saddened by it.

Most of the time anyone suffering from a disease would be sympathetic to anyone else suffering from a disease and would shy away from being judgemental or unpleasant. It is known that there is not just one cause and that there is always a raft of factors in any disease.

As a Type 2 I am happy to accept this title for my chronic disease. Perhaps the Type 1's who dismiss us as fellow sufferers would like to rename themselves as Superior Beings? Researchers might rush to your aid with a title like that.

This campaign has all the hallmarks of a playground game and has not been well thought out as it is just alienating people.

[sarcasm] how about thin diabetes and fat diabetes? :roll: [/sarcasm]

Wouldn't peoples efforts be more focussed on pressuring the FSA, and all the other government quangos to dealing with the real problem of them reccomending everyone eat loads of carbohydrates, which in turn produces excess insulin, and in turn, fat?? Yes i'm T2, 6'1, and am overweight, woop de doo, Its not like I will lose all my excess weight, get down to say 12 stone(never gonna happen :lol: ) - will my T2 suddenly be cured? No, it wont, so why go round with torches and pitchforks to get the "naughty" T2s?

kegstore said:

UPB

I appreciate what you're trying to say, unfortunately how you've chosen to express yourself and how this comes across just defies belief. No really! I am stunned...

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I don't really see anything I said that was out of line. I really don't think many, if any type 2s appreciate that type 1 diabetes is a far more serious illness. The idea that seems to come from type 2s is that we're all in this together.

But type 2 really just isn't in the same league as type 1. I'm sorry if you don't agree or don't appreciate that fact, but it's a simple fact. And yet we're all lumped in together. Why is that fair?

So do you think that everyone with ASD should be labelled differently, simply because it affects some differently to others??

Surely the T1's can call themselves IDDs? (Insulin dependant diabetics) if it makes them feel less insecure about themselves? :roll:

PB wrote “don't really see anything I said that was out of line. I really don't think many, if any type 2s appreciate that type 1 diabetes is a far more serious illness. The idea that seems to come from type 2s is that we're all in this together.
But type 2 really just isn't in the same league as type 1. I'm sorry if you don't agree or don't appreciate that fact, but it's a simple fact. And yet we're all lumped in together. Why is that fair?”

That is the first time you have made me smile PB - albeit somewhat wryly! :roll:

I wonder if the likes of Beckham get upset that there are schoolboys in teams that call themselves ‘footballers’ or if they are quite happy that they themselves are ‘Professional footballers’? A bit like Diabetes but T1 rather than T2 perhaps.

Surely it isn’t some weird kind of snobbery by any chance, is it? And what on earth has ‘fair’ got to do with anything?

Incidentally we are all part of the ‘race’ – the human race that is! Could it be that some of us have a bit more humanity and perhaps even humility?

Useless Pretty Boy said:

I don't really see anything I said that was out of line.

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And that my friend is precisely the problem here.

it comes across as a "hey im a T1, I have a badge too, so pity me, and shun the T2 who ate too many pies and sweets!" It would be hilarious if it wasnt so so sad....

Useless Pretty Boy said:

I don't really see anything I said that was out of line. I really don't think many, if any type 2s appreciate that type 1 diabetes is a far more serious illness. The idea that seems to come from type 2s is that we're all in this together.

But type 2 really just isn't in the same league as type 1. I'm sorry if you don't agree or don't appreciate that fact, but it's a simple fact. And yet we're all lumped in together. Why is that fair?

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We don't have to appreciate it. You're bleating about it enough for everyone.

sarcasm] how about thin diabetes and fat diabetes? [/sarcasm

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I shouldn't joke about it. Its already been done, in 1877 Lanceraux divided diabetes mellitus into two groups "diabete maigre" and "diabete gras. Those terms are still often used in France today, just google diabete gras and diabete maigre.
Although I think that there is a misunderstanding of the potential seriousness of type 2, I don't think its totally misplaced. Many type 2s can reduce their insulin resistance by losing weight. If they are diagnosed early enough in the process and maintain their new weight and lifestyle this may be all that is needed to enjoy a normal life without complications.
I can quite understand where the parents of children with type 1 and young type 1s themselves are coming from. The two types have become merged together in the press and public understanding. This has lead to unpleasant remarks and bullying.
I think it's only been in recent years that this has happened. Before this I hadn't really heard of type 2. I 'knew' people with diabetes had to inject insulin and eat regularly, what to do if someone had a hypo, but that's about it.

kegstore said:

Useless Pretty Boy said:

I don't really see anything I said that was out of line.

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And that my friend is precisely the problem here.

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Well then feel free to point out exactly what I said that was 'out of line'. If need be, explain it to me with small words and visual aides.

You might not agree with my view, but that doesn't make it any less valid unless you can deconstruct it to show exactly why it's invalid. My argument for a greater distinction rests on a simple fact: Type 1 is deadly without medication, Type 2 isn't.

I know a lot of type 2s feel that their condition isn't taken as seriously as type 1 and that's probably true. But I really don't see a reason that it should be. Type 2 is slow-onset, doesn't inherintly require medication to survive and is very often self-inflicted due to bad diet and lifestyle. Type 1 is fast-onset, requires medication and is due to either genetics, environment or a combination.

Some people here may find it an uncomfortable pill to swallow, but type 2 is simply a less dangerous and a far less sympathetic disease. Perhaps it's because of this less sympathetic nature of it that it usually seems to be the type 2s on this board who are crying out for more sympathy. Whether it's deserved or not is an entirely different topic.

As it stands, I don't see how I've been 'bleating' about the difference. I've made, what, two posts in this thread about it? In a thread in which the basic topic of conversation is about whether or not there is a great enough difference between the two different diseases to justify giving them more different names.

I'd say there is. What's wrong with that?

UPB

I don't disagree with what you initially said - I made this quite clear - but absolutely with how you chose to express yourself. I think this might also have been felt by others who posted following your comments, judging by the reaction of some.

I believe very strongly that how you communicate a message is as important as the content itself. But I am not going to be dragged into a forensic deconstruction and analysis of what was said, I don't have the time or the inclination.

kegstore said:

UPB

I don't disagree with what you initially said - I made this quite clear - but absolutely with how you chose to express yourself. I think this might also have been felt by others who posted following your comments, judging by the reaction of some.

I believe very strongly that how you communicate a message is as important as the content itself. But I am not going to be dragged into a forensic deconstruction and analysis of what was said, I don't have the time or the inclination.

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Teh. Well if you can't even give me a nudge as to why you or anyone else found what I said off putting, don't look for a change any time soon. I honestly don't think I said anything particularly unfair or that wasn't an established fact. If people are going to be oversensitive, I can't really do anything about that.

I know two people who have type 2, and both feel that there should be far more differentation between type 1 and type 2. As a parent of a type 1 I certainly agree. The difference between the type 1 and type 2 is mammoth. Why should they be called the same thing? It confuses everyone.