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Reversed T2D

annalaix said:
What happens after you reach this stage? I know at this point you would probably make healthier food choices for the rest of your life since you have the capability of reversing the disease but by "reversing" does that mean your blood sugars are now normal or stabilised to indulge in foods you once did without spikes? Like white rice and bread? Or will the disease always be in your system for the rest of your life?
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For me I have done many experiments with my way of eating.

I can eat lots of carbs now. Just last night I had a large cookie from Lidl 4 dried apricots, 6 dates and white rice and ice cream. I went up into the 8s. I had quite a lot because I am doubtful I will get to eat for the next 24 hours and don't normally eat this much.

I do normally vary my diet. I go through waves: high carb for a few weeks and then low carb for a few and then intermittent fasting for a few. This seems to work to keep my weight in check as the high carb always causes a weight gain for me. Low carb I tend to remain stable.
 
Hi @muzza3 but this one (the terminologies) has been done to death, and not just on this thread. We read into words what we wish or how we were taught to interpret that word. Goes with the territory

There is no "reversal" IMHO as that implies it covers associated reasons many on this forum firmly believe are behind why they contracted the condition. I've seen the blame laid at the feet of stress, family history (genes), statins, weight, lifestyle, diet, infections, other medical problems and the list goes on. Personally I don't doubt any of them and who would I be to question that.

But I do doubt a universal solution could "reverse" it for everyone. We can only do our best and control what we can.
 
I think the contention is because everyone has a different criteria/definiton for remission/reversal

Gluco-centric
1) HbA1c in normal range?
2) Fasting glucose in normal range?
3) Post meal glucose in normal range?
4) pass 100g OGTT?

Or only when we fully restore insulin response as per Model#1 of Dr Kraft insulin response model?
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Mike D said:
Hi @muzza3 but this one (the terminologies) has been done to death, and not just on this thread. We read into words what we wish or how we were taught to interpret that word. Goes with the territory

There is no "reversal" IMHO as that implies it covers associated reasons many on this forum firmly believe are behind why they contracted the condition. I've seen the blame laid at the feet of stress, family history (genes), statins, weight, lifestyle, diet, infections, other medical problems and the list goes on. Personally I don't doubt any of them and who would I be to question that.

But I do doubt a universal solution could "reverse" it for everyone. We can only do our best and control what we can.
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Hi Mike
Yes you are right about the terminologies been done to death and while I have an opinion that it can be reversed in some Type 2 's there are plenty of experienced members who also believe that it can't. I suppose I just wanted to make sure that a Newbie was clear that there are people here who believe it is possible and has been done.
 
I've just - reversed / halted / gone into remission from T2 (mine was steroid induced but I was already prediabetic so it didn't take much to push me over) after following a LCHF diet and I definitely wouldn't ever want to eat any of the stuff I used to eat.

There used to be a saying at WeightWatchers that 'nothing tastes as good as being slim' well for me nothing tastes as good as having a low HbA1c.

I followed Dr David Cavan's book Reverse T2 Diabetes, joined this website and read as much as I could on here and also bought my own BG meter and I've 'eaten to the test' and recorded everything I've eaten ever since. I never snack between meals, I don't eat cakes, biscuits etc. I have a good breakfast and either a good lunch or dinner at night and a small handful of nuts and seeds plus a green apple for the third 'meal', I stick with water, decaf tea or occassionally decaf coffee - no diet drinks.

I now know the sort of things that spiked my blood and I don't eat them any more, I've learned to like things I wasn't too keen on in the past and I've ditched things I used to love - unfortunately some of the things that should have been 'good' for me like whole grains, oatcakes jacket potatoes etc just weren't good so they've had to go too which is a bit sad, buts that's life.

Once you reach where you want to be hopefully you won't want to go back and eat the sort of foods that got you to T2 in the first place. Your clothes will be smaller sizes too - is a slice of cake or a stodgy bun or a box of chocolates worth it? Not for me these days and hopefully never again.

27 November 2015 - 6.7% / 50mmol - 73.6kg
5 April 2016 - 5.6 / 38mmol - 58.4kg
 
muzza3 said:
I suppose I just wanted to make sure that a Newbie was clear that there are people here who believe it is possible and has been done.
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Yep @muzza3 ... and that as we know can be deflating if the message is misconstrued by the newbie. Of course it can be done. I did it and seen many others do the same. I really enjoy the fact that many people listen and suddenly, they get results they thought were impossible. Makes it rewarding as I got the same help and heeded the experts here every day of the week until I knew what to do
 
Mike D said:
Makes it rewarding as I got the same help and heeded the experts here every day of the week until I knew what to do
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Totally Agree Mike
The experience of members such as yourself who have already done the hard yards has made a huge difference to me and in the end I definitely respect the results much more than what we choose to call them.
 
Thanks mate :) Over the journey, I've seen the strong get the job done and I feel humbled on how they go about what for me would still be a challenge. Member advice is one thing, reading the courage of others is another. Some amazing people out there
 
annalaix said:
What happens after you reach this stage? I know at this point you would probably make healthier food choices for the rest of your life since you have the capability of reversing the disease but by "reversing" does that mean your blood sugars are now normal or stabilised to indulge in foods you once did without spikes? Like white rice and bread? Or will the disease always be in your system for the rest of your life?
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Hi @annala
I can now eat rice and be lower after 2 hours than before the meal. Rice a year ago spiked me a lot. I am actually finding it quite difficult to persuade myself to try foods that I had cut out of my diet. As my BMI had dropped to under 20 (from 25) and my GP considered I might be undernourished as my trigs are very low he wanted me to try different foods. The only thing that has really spiked me was a slice of cake when I went up to 8.4 after 2 hours but down to 5.1 half an hour later. As I have now put on the weight my GP wanted I intend to try and keep my weight stable and occasionally try higher carb foods.
 
annalaix said:
Thank you :) I just want to know.
If I ever reverse it, I would like to just simply have a meal of indulgence for celebrations but I'm still worried that it'll ultimately cause a high blood sugar right after :(
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This bit doesn't stack up. Ex smokers don't celebrate with a cigarette. Ex drinkers don't go down the pub to celebrate and as an ex car crash victim who had to learn to walk again, I don't celebrate by running across 6 lanes of the M25 to celebrate.
Eat well/properly, exercise, test regularly and find out what works for you. T2 can be beaten. I am getting better and so are others - but that is not cause to celebrate with a sugar rush. You may even find that your taste buds change and that you no longer like sweet things. You are new. You have a journey to take. Don't plan the end yet and whilst we all went to get there, we aren't planning a sugar binge to celebrate. Good luck.

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Hiitsme said:
Hi @annala
I can now eat rice and be lower after 2 hours than before the meal. Rice a year ago spiked me a lot. I am actually finding it quite difficult to persuade myself to try foods that I had cut out of my diet. As my BMI had dropped to under 20 (from 25) and my GP considered I might be undernourished as my trigs are very low he wanted me to try different foods. The only thing that has really spiked me was a slice of cake when I went up to 8.4 after 2 hours but down to 5.1 half an hour later. As I have now put on the weight my GP wanted I intend to try and keep my weight stable and occasionally try higher carb foods.
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That's very interesting! I just wanted to see responses from people who reversed their diabetes. :) thank you for giving me your experiences and 8.4 isn't bad! Well for once slice of cake, maybe so. But all in all, it isn't bad at all.
 
Having 'reversed' I find I don't get spikes in BG after consuming carb foods. What I do get is weight gain. Weight gain slowly impacts on my BG in the long term. HbA1c creeps upwards. This could be due to what has been described as breaching my personal fat threshold. That is the sting in the carb tail for me.
 
andcol said:
For me I have done many experiments with my way of eating.

I can eat lots of carbs now. Just last night I had a large cookie from Lidl 4 dried apricots, 6 dates and white rice and ice cream. I went up into the 8s. I had quite a lot because I am doubtful I will get to eat for the next 24 hours and don't normally eat this much.

I do normally vary my diet. I go through waves: high carb for a few weeks and then low carb for a few and then intermittent fasting for a few. This seems to work to keep my weight in check as the high carb always causes a weight gain for me. Low carb I tend to remain stable.
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I guess once you reach this stage you can be a little more lenient with eating carbs but getting to this stage also teaches you a lot and that diabetes diet tends to stick with you forever, doesn't it? That's what I wanted to know! That's all, really.
 
Mike D said:
Likelihood is they will shoot up. It's down to you but you can slowly introduce some of your fave foods and test to see, but you'll never reverse it (until a cure is discovered) so it will be your personal decision whether to take that risk. I sure as heck would not do rice but maybe some bread might work for you. Sounds weird, but bread is bad for me but I can eat an English muffin (common in OZ as you'd know) and no effect whatsoever
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Maybe I will. Eventually :) maybe only half a portion at once and see the response after that. And (maybe) if it's stable I can eat a full meal of it! Thank you for the reassurance and me too! A serving of white potatoes have no effect on me luckily because I'm a girl who loves her mash :P
 
I'm sorry I caused a little disruption with my thread. :/ I didn't mean for this to happen. I was just being silly while craving my favorite meal and posted this thread out of curiosity! I'm sorry, fellow peeps. :(
 
I have seen on TV programmes very obese people who have developed diabetes and then after loosing a load of weight by one way or another they are told they longer have diabetes so does that mean they are not cured but they have just reversed it
 
Lizzie2 said:
I've just - reversed / halted / gone into remission from T2 (mine was steroid induced but I was already prediabetic so it didn't take much to push me over) after following a LCHF diet and I definitely wouldn't ever want to eat any of the stuff I used to eat.

There used to be a saying at WeightWatchers that 'nothing tastes as good as being slim' well for me nothing tastes as good as having a low HbA1c.

I followed Dr David Cavan's book Reverse T2 Diabetes, joined this website and read as much as I could on here and also bought my own BG meter and I've 'eaten to the test' and recorded everything I've eaten ever since. I never snack between meals, I don't eat cakes, biscuits etc. I have a good breakfast and either a good lunch or dinner at night and a small handful of nuts and seeds plus a green apple for the third 'meal', I stick with water, decaf tea or occassionally decaf coffee - no diet drinks.

I now know the sort of things that spiked my blood and I don't eat them any more, I've learned to like things I wasn't too keen on in the past and I've ditched things I used to love - unfortunately some of the things that should have been 'good' for me like whole grains, oatcakes jacket potatoes etc just weren't good so they've had to go too which is a bit sad, buts that's life.

Once you reach where you want to be hopefully you won't want to go back and eat the sort of foods that got you to T2 in the first place. Your clothes will be smaller sizes too - is a slice of cake or a stodgy bun or a box of chocolates worth it? Not for me these days and hopefully never again.

27 November 2015 - 6.7% / 50mmol - 73.6kg
5 April 2016 - 5.6 / 38mmol - 58.4kg
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This is a wonderful reply and something I needed. I guess I skipped the whole testing foods thing because of the pure shock I went through when I was diagnosed. Now that I've been with diabetes for a little while now, I'm a little anxious to test them out on different foods. I just followed what was written to be "healthy" but never really tested out the foods I used to enjoy. It's a shame, really, because this testing foods stage should've been done at the beginning before starting the life style change of eating. Now it's too hard for me to turn back. what a shame. But thank you for sharing your experience and your story to me. I'm glad your levels lowered and good luck to you for the years ahead!
 
Sean01 said:
This bit doesn't stack up. Ex smokers don't celebrate with a cigarette. Ex drinkers don't go down the pub to celebrate and as an ex car crash victim who had to learn to walk again, I don't celebrate by running across 6 lanes of the M25 to celebrate.
Eat well/properly, exercise, test regularly and find out what works for you. T2 can be beaten. I am getting better and so are others - but that is not cause to celebrate with a sugar rush. You may even find that your taste buds change and that you no longer like sweet things. You are new. You have a journey to take. Don't plan the end yet and whilst we all went to get there, we aren't planning a sugar binge to celebrate. Good luck.

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Ah, I'm not keen on sweet things anymore, yes you are right. But what I'm craving is more of a bread roll that my favourite restaurant makes haha I'm just hungry that's probably why I posted this thread. and you're right. I think I can look ahead with a more positive note that diabetes isn't going to end with a quick fix. Thank you and good luck to you!
 
Pipp said:
Having 'reversed' I find I don't get spikes in BG after consuming carb foods. What I do get is weight gain. Weight gain slowly impacts on my BG in the long term. HbA1c creeps upwards. This could be due to what has been described as breaching my personal fat threshold. That is the sting in the carb tail for me.
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I see. I guess that once In a blue moon it's okay for a small indulgence. I mean; one small "cheat" meal won't affect 3 months worth of meals, correct? :)
 
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