Roast/frozen potatoes

[Mbaker]

I intend on using butternut squash in goose fat with knarly edges

 

[xfieldok]

I intend on using butternut squash in goose fat with knarly edges

Mmmmmmm......

 

[Mbaker]

Mmmmmmm......

A couple of weeks ago my lovely wife prepared a meal with butternut squash rough chunks about one and a half inch square. I actually thought these were potatoes.

 

[Mr_Pot]

A couple of weeks ago my lovely wife prepared a meal with butternut squash rough chunks about one and a half inch square. I actually thought these were potatoes.

Did you find butternut squash ok for your BG? I have it quite often but I have to be careful about portion size.

 

[Brunneria]

Does that mean you are happy with a meal/food that gives you 6.6 3hrs post prandial.
Having BGs that high over time will mean the IR will get progressively worse.
I wouldn't... for the simple reason that complications are still possible with those kind of BG levels.

Nope. Not necessarily.

I have read Bernstein and I actually eat lower carb than he suggests. But my blood glucose is regularly in the 6s and 7s, and has been significantly higher than that in the past - and my insulin resistance has NOT automatically worsened, or my blood glucose control deteriorated.

There are many factors which influence insulin resistance, and having blood glucose levels in the 6s is one of the least of my concerns. Yet I clearly manage to control both IR and my blood glucose without achieving Bernsteins low bg targets.

I get why he tells people to aim for them, but I have to say that Number Shaming people here, on a support forum, is NOT a good way to make your point, or spread Bernstein's ideology.

 

[Mbaker]

Did you find butternut squash ok for your BG? I have it quite often but I have to be careful about portion size.

Yes, no problem for me (as well as carrots), "we" use the squash I would say 3 times a week; I am very lucky that my family genuinely do not want potatoes. This is the meal I was referring to, rustic cooking. The picture doesn't convey the flavours.

 

[xfieldok]

Gosh that looks good!

 

[ickihun]

I find I can eat reheated potato without a spike but accumulative carbs occur if too frequently ingested. However after reheated potatoes it stables my levels initially.
The sting in the tail only comes if I eat the next day too. (trust me to be odd one). Although I am on insulin therapy so it may be that interaction.
I'm not sure what potato did to my levels on metformin only as I normally had a Cream Tea early evening after early Sunday Roast lunch out.
I cannot touch a cream tea now, low carbing cream is great but jam and scone is a big no no unless almond flour made.

On 800cals not even substitutes are advised though. Potato is definitely out, for now.
After bypass op I won't be hurraying to eat fresh mash potato. If any it will be reheated from ice cube size form. So fingers crossed I'll achieve no spike and no carb accumulation. We'll see.

 

[derry60]

I only ever have one tiny (20g) Aunt Bessie’s (so cooked and frozen) roast potato once a week with a roast dinner, so plenty of fat eaten with it. This has minimal effect on my blood sugars.

I have heard that tinned potatoes are quite good as they have already been cooked, Red potatoes are also less starchy than others. I have eaten 3 small tinned potatoes before and have had no impact on my bloods at all. The only reason why I don't eat potatoes is that I find that they put weight on me. I love roasted celeriac tho, tastes like road parsnips

 

[derry60]

A couple of weeks ago my lovely wife prepared a meal with butternut squash rough chunks about one and a half inch square. I actually thought these were potatoes.

Roasted Celeriac gorgeous, tastes just like Parsnips. Very low carb

 

[derry60]

Yes, no problem for me (as well as carrots), "we" use the squash I would say 3 times a week; I am very lucky that my family genuinely do not want potatoes. This is the meal I was referring to, rustic cooking. The picture doesn't convey the flavours.


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I can eat a few carrots also without a rise. I have not tried squash but will do. That dinner looks lovely. Where's my knife and fork? lol

 

[DCUKMod]

Sorry mods, I'd hate anyone to think I used the f word, which I didn't.

Worry not, KK123; based on the selections dealt with over time on the forum, it's safe to say members know a significant variety of profanity.

 

[Mr_Pot]

Sorry mods, I'd hate anyone to think I used the f word, which I didn't.

Is the F word "Fasting"?

 

[brassyblonde900]

Nope. Not necessarily.

I have read Bernstein and I actually eat lower carb than he suggests. But my blood glucose is regularly in the 6s and 7s, and has been significantly higher than that in the past - and my insulin resistance has NOT automatically worsened, or my blood glucose control deteriorated.

There are many factors which influence insulin resistance, and having blood glucose levels in the 6s is one of the least of my concerns. Yet I clearly manage to control both IR and my blood glucose without achieving Bernsteins low bg targets.

I get why he tells people to aim for them, but I have to say that Number Shaming people here, on a support forum, is NOT a good way to make your point, or spread Bernstein's ideology.

Its rather unfortunate you call it 'Number shaming.' Anecdotal evidence is very clear that BG levels in that region can and does lead to complications over time.
Chronically elevated BG worsens IR...how else does one end up with a definitive diagnosis of T2DM?
https://www.bloodsugar101.com/organ-damage-and-blood-sugar-level

 

[Brunneria]

Its rather unfortunate you call it 'Number shaming.' Anecdotal evidence is very clear that BG levels in that region can and does lead to complications over time.
Chronically elevated BG worsens IR...how else does one end up with a definitive diagnosis of T2DM?
https://www.bloodsugar101.com/organ-damage-and-blood-sugar-level

Not unfortunate at all. I chose my words with care.

You have provided a link to a page on www.bloodsugar101.com which is very familiar to me, and which I often link to myself. It discusses the long term complications that may arise from chronically raised blood glucose levels, large blood glucose fluctuations, long term fasting blood glucose levels and glucose tolerance tests. None of those are being discussed on this thread.

Nowhere does the page mention damage and progressively increased insulin resistance from a one-off self test involving potato that raises blood glucose to 6.6mmol/l (at 3 hrs, with short term higher readings before that). In fact, the closest relevant information offered by that bloodglucose101 page is where it discusses cumulative beta cell damage occurring when blood glucose levels are above 7.8mmol/l, with the damage worsening over time. The longer and higher, the worse the damage. Clearly this is not relevant to a reading of 6.6mmol/l reading (at 3 hrs) and to imply differently is inaccurate, and scaremongering.

One of the things I like the most about Jenny Rhul’s bloodsugar101 website is that she recognises that we are all human. We lapse. We enjoy the odd indulgance, and she provides us with the information to understand what is going on when that lapse happens. I once read something she wrote which said that it isn’t a matter of IF we next eat too many carbs, it is a matter of WHEN, and we should understand this, and the potential consequences.

It strikes me that Jenny Rhul would be in favour of someone eating a potato and then concluding

Bearing in mind that they were eaten on their own, I am happy to leave my next experiment until Christmas Day.

Everybody experiences diabetes differently, and there is no one size fits all, whether that is diet, carb intake, medication, exercise or blood glucose targets. Implying that a one-off reading will lead to raised insulin resistance and diabetic complications is neither helpful nor accurate.

Edited for typos. Managed to misquote the reading at 6.3 when it should have been 6.6

 

[brassyblonde900]

Not unfortunate at all. I chose my words with care.

You have provided a link to a page on www.bloodsugar101.com which is very familiar to me, and which I often link to myself. It discusses the long term complications that may arise from chronically raised blood glucose levels, large blood glucose fluctuations, long term fasting blood glucose levels and glucose tolerance tests. None of those are being discussed on this thread.

Nowhere does the page mention damage and progressively increased insulin resistance from a one-off self test involving potato that raises blood glucose to 6.3mmol/l. In fact, the closest relevant information offered by that bloodglucose101 page is where it discusses cumulative beta cell damage occurring when blood glucose levels are above 7.8mmol/l, with the damage worsening over time. Clearly this is not relevant to a reading of 6.3mmol/l and to imply differently is inaccurate, and scaremongering.

One of the things I like the most about Jenny Rhul’s bloodsugar101 website is that she recognises that we are all human. We lapse. We enjoy the odd indulgance, and she provides us with the information to understand what is going on when that lapse happens. I once read something she wrote which said that it isn’t a matter of IF we next eat too many carbs, it is a matter of WHEN, and we should understand this, and the potential consequences.

It strikes me that Jenny Rhul would be in favour of someone eating a potato and then concluding


Everybody experiences diabetes differently, and there is no one size fits all, whether that is diet, carb intake, medication, exercise or blood glucose targets. Implying that a one-off reading of 6.3mmol/l will lead to raised insulin resistance and diabetic complications is neither helpful nor accurate.

The post I replied to clearly stated and I quote
….."Day 1
Before pots BG 6.5

Running 2 meters in parallel
2 hours after eating
CodeFree 8.1 caresens 9.5

Day 2
5.7 before roasties
CodeFree 8.2 caresens 7.6
3 hours after eating
CodeFree 6.6 caresens 7.0 " …..

Unless we are talking about different posts, the OP's numbers of which she stated in her post is what I have C&P'd here. So your conclusion which I have emboldened and underlined is contrary to what OP herself stated.

I would consider it instructive to read the Jenny Rhul link I provided especially the parts with the following headings (Numbering mine for ease of reference)

1)Multiple Studies Link Heart Failure to Blood Sugars in the so-called "Prediabetic" Range
2)Rates of Cancer Rise Significantly with "Mildly" impaired Blood Sugars
3)Risk of Developing Chronic Kidney Disease Rises Significantly in a Straight-Line Fashion as A1c rises above 6.0%
4)Diabetic Retinopathy Develops at "Prediabetic" Blood Sugar Levels.

My point is and I will make it again.
The BG readings OP posted in my opinion, are not safe ones for the purposes of finding a food/meal appropriate for a person with T2DM.
Support does not mean acquiescence. Pointing out that those levels are unsafe, does not amount to number shaming.
You may have made a choice regarding your Diabetes management, to go with the levels you have clearly chosen, that does not mean that its safe for others, when there are vast swathes of research material, out there stating at which point its not to be assumed that blood sugar readings are not harmless.
OP did not post those numbers to show they are not suitable/acceptable. My reply was in context.

 

[Mr_Pot]

The post I replied to clearly stated and I quote
….."Day 1
Before pots BG 6.5

Running 2 meters in parallel
2 hours after eating
CodeFree 8.1 caresens 9.5

Day 2
5.7 before roasties
CodeFree 8.2 caresens 7.6
3 hours after eating
CodeFree 6.6 caresens 7.0 " …..

Unless we are talking about different posts, the OP's numbers of which she stated in her post is what I have C&P'd here. So your conclusion which I have emboldened and underlined is contrary to what OP herself stated.

I would consider it instructive to read the Jenny Rhul link I provided especially the parts with the following headings (Numbering mine for ease of reference)

1)Multiple Studies Link Heart Failure to Blood Sugars in the so-called "Prediabetic" Range
2)Rates of Cancer Rise Significantly with "Mildly" impaired Blood Sugars
3)Risk of Developing Chronic Kidney Disease Rises Significantly in a Straight-Line Fashion as A1c rises above 6.0%
4)Diabetic Retinopathy Develops at "Prediabetic" Blood Sugar Levels.

My point is and I will make it again.
The BG readings OP posted in my opinion, are not safe ones for the purposes of finding a food/meal appropriate for a person with T2DM.
Support does not mean acquiescence. Pointing out that those levels are unsafe, does not amount to number shaming.
You may have made a choice regarding your Diabetes management, to go with the levels you have clearly chosen, that does not mean that its safe for others, when there are vast swathes of research material, out there stating at which point its not to be assumed that blood sugar readings are not harmless.
OP did not post those numbers to show they are not suitable/acceptable. My reply was in context.

No doubt you, and most of us, experienced high levels of BG before starting a low carb diet so are already doomed by your reasoning.

 

[xfieldok]

Kinda wish I had never started this thread

 

[brassyblonde900]

No doubt you, and most of us, experienced high levels of BG before starting a low carb diet so are already doomed by your reasoning.

And by knowing when those levels should be deemed "too high for the purposes of preventing complications etc" I then knew when the food is not OK.
My point is not about never ever getting high readings.
My point is about "WHEN a food has TOO HIGH A READING TO BE A SAFE food/meal CHOICE and therefore should be seen as such.

 

[Deleted member 308541]

Kinda wish I had never started this thread

No it's a good thread, you experimented and reported your findings so there is nothing wrong with that.

My partner cooked a small bag of Spud Lites in the microwave yesterday, they're going to be potato wedgies later today.