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Saturated fat advice 'unclear'

tonyS54

tonyS54

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More good news for those of us who can believe it's not butter:joyful:
Swapping butter for a sunflower spread may not lower heart risk, say British Heart Foundation researchers.

Contrary to guidance, there is no evidence that changing the type of fat you eat from "bad" saturated to "healthier" polyunsaturated cuts heart risk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26611861
 
Personally I feel that they were concentrating on what they thought were the effects of saturated fats when really it was being caused by high blood sugars, but not high enough for Doctors to be concerned....
 
Won't be long until there's a 'Margarine mountain' with all the surplus no-one wants to buy I reckon...I guess they could flog it to the automotive industry as low melting point grease!:woot:
 
Personally, I now freely eat saturaturated fats, butter, full cream, fry my eggs in bacon fats, have meats with fat in them - and am doing fine.

The clever people out there say (in another forum and in several scientific articles) , that if you ratio is below 2.0 (triglyceride number divided by your HDL), you are doing fine - no reason to overly worry then about cardiac problems. But of course your way may vary - only telling what my take on this is ...

I will admit that it was with some trepidation I took this course - the fat-scare had been along all my life. - But when after three months after having - somewhat worried - adopted this LC/HF way of eating, suddenly all my cholesterol/lipid numbers (bad until then) were to dream about.

Annelise
(T2, latest HbA1C at 5.7 - still no meds) (Denmark)

- and my grandmother who lived to 105 would always pick the fattest pieces from the Sunday steak ...
 
Obviously, cardiologists will be a bit shaken and confused as will most dieticians and a lot of other medical staff.

The 76 studies that were reviewed, with all the 550 000 observed people (49 studies) and the 103 000 individuals in randomised, controlled studies (27) aren't enough, we need more studies, don't we?

All these studies confirming there isn't anything sinister with saturated fat can´t be enough, can it?

Abstract: http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638&resultClick=3
 
Totto said:
Obviously, cardiologists will be a bit shaken and confused as will most dieticians and a lot of other medical staff.

The 76 studies that were reviewed, with all the 550 000 observed people (49 studies) and the 103 000 individuals in randomised, controlled studies (27) aren't enough, we need more studies, don't we?

All these studies confirming there isn't anything sinister with saturated fat can´t be enough, can it?

Abstract: http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638&resultClick=3
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Ha, Totto ... - and they will keep studies ongoing forever (kind of sad smiley from me).

Anyway, I have seen (scientific) articles saying that the mortality in 'elderly women' is lower with a higher cholesterol/lipid panel (don't know about men though).

Anyway, about 95 % of the cholesterols are produced by our own body - whether we eat saturated or non-saturated fats.

Annelise (elderly woman, T2).
 
noblehead said:
Didn't Eddie the Eagle Edwards want to practice skiing down the butter mountains :D

As the article from the BHF says more research is needed:

https://www.bhf.org.uk/media/news-from-the-bhf/fats-in-your-diet.aspx
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Of course the BHF would say that, they don't want to admit the research used to demonise saturated fat could be flawed. Don't forget this is the latest in a long line of articles over the last couple of years that have cast doubt on the diet heart hypothesis.
 
annelise said:
Personally, I now freely eat saturaturated fats, butter, full cream, fry my eggs in bacon fats, have meats with fat in them - and am doing fine.

The clever people out there say (in another forum and in several scientific articles) , that if you ratio is below 2.0 (triglyceride number divided by your HDL), you are doing fine - no reason to overly worry then about cardiac problems. But of course your way may vary - only telling what my take on this is ...

I will admit that it was with some trepidation I took this course - the fat-scare had been along all my life. - But when after three months after having - somewhat worried - adopted this LC/HF way of eating, suddenly all my cholesterol/lipid numbers (bad until then) were to dream about.

Annelise
(T2, latest HbA1C at 5.7 - still no meds) (Denmark)

- and my grandmother who lived to 105 would always pick the fattest pieces from the Sunday steak ...
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Hi, I was the same with cholesterol changing to LC/HF improved my lipids and ratios, triglycerides/HDL ratio 0.570 :)
 
tonyS54 said:
Hi, I was the same with cholesterol changing to LC/HF improved my lipids and ratios, triglycerides/HDL ratio 0.570 :)
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Great ratio Tony :) - mine has remained at 0.35 for a year.

Nevertheless, my now doctor wishes to put me on statins - but they will never come over my lips unless force-fed.

Probable reason for his wish: my total cholesteral had gone up but mainly because my HDL had also significantly gone up! - My theory: Not all doctors graduated top of their class, hmm ...

annelise
 
A jolly good read about saturated fat: "Will the Popularity of LCHF Trigger a New Epidemic of Heart Disease?"

http://www.docsopinion.com/2014/03/...f-lchf-trigger-new-epidemic-of-heart-disease/

[I'll give you a clue: no.]

Who wrote it?

"Doc’s opinion is written and edited by Axel F. Sigurdsson MD, PhD, FACC.

Dr. Sigurdsson is a cardiologist at the Department of Cardiology at The Landspitali University Hospital in Reykjavik Iceland. He also practices cardiology at Hjartamidstodin (The Heart Center) which is a private heart clinic in the Reykjavik area. He is a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology (ACC), The Icelandic Society of Cardiology and the Swedish Society of Cardiology.

Dr. Sigurdsson is a specialist in internal medicine and cardiology. He did his cardiology training at the Sahlgrenska/Östra University Hospital in Gothenburg, Sweden and at the Royal Jubilee Hospital in Victoria BC, Canada between 1988 – 1996. He is past president of the Icelandic Cardiac Society.

Dr. Sigurdsson main interest has been in the field of coronary heart disease and heart failure. He has published more than 100 scientific abstracts, articles and book chapters in international journals and text books."
 
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