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Should I consider a low carbohydrate diet

gerpsych

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Hi,

I have just recently been diagnosed as Type Ii diabetic. I'm a 59 year old male with a normal BMI but with an overlarge waist and probably a light frame. I will not see the dietician or nurse until next week. I have been started on metformin as my HBA1c was very high and unequivocal. As I have been reading on what to do I am uncertain about dietary advice. The NHS site suggests 50% of your calories as carbohydrate. This seems counter-intuitive to me but I am worried about putting up my cardiac risk by upping the fats. What would people advise ?

Cheers
 
@gerpsych

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, especially the information on diet. Basically you need to reduce the carbohydrates in your diet. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be along to help.



BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 140,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
If you want lose weight ditch the high starchy carbs.
Low carb is the only way I know that has helped me reduce weight, I had all the problems of weight loss on all the recommended diets, especially the NHS 'eatwell plate', all that did was make it worse.
Carbs and sugars are the baddies.
Reduce your carbs slowly but surely until you are low carbing. Exercise is just as important, just a half hour walk will help with blood glucose levels and get you fitter.

Read around the forum, have a look at the low carb forum and get to know how to properly.

Ask more questions, keep posting, let us know how you get on.
 
I would ignore the silly NHS advice which is not based on any scientific evidence. Follow the advice on these forums from daibetics who use a meter to measure and is therefore scientifically based. Many of us believe eating fat does not make you fat neither does it risk cardiac problems. You will need to make your own mind up on that aspect but you can always have unsaturated fats and not too much?
 
Yep, I would certainly say give LCHF a try. If you can"t get on with it, fine. At least you'll have tried. I'm sure you'll find the results amazing.
 
I was diagnosed Type 2 in 2009 and despite trying Metformin, Gliclazide and eventually insulin I wasn't getting good control of my blood sugar.

So in June last year I went on the Newcastle Diet and stayed on it for a long time - losing four and a half stone. I eventually went back on normal food and blood sugars rose again. So I started on a low carb diet (around 50g per day) and have maintained my weight and I'm no longer using any medication and getting good blood sugar results.
So as far as I'm concerned a low carb diet is the best thing I've done for my diabetes. I've had to admit to myself that my relationship with food has changed so I now view food as a form of medication.

it works for me :)
 
Hi Jim,
If you have read anything about my condition, you will have seen that I have to low carb.
I say that I'm allergic! I'm not! But it's easier to say that.
You sound as if your in the same boat.
The only difference is that I take sitagliptin. Which is an inhibitor. Any gliptin which are relatively new on the scene will help with insulin production while reducing blood glucose levels.
Have you had hypos?
Have you had all the tests? Especially OGGT?
Sorry for the questions, but I was just wondering why you were taken off the meds, can it be just weight loss?
Congrats on the weight loss by the way, very low carb has shed loads for me as well.

Nosher
 
The best thing to do is look at the available information and make up your own mind. Go to YouTube and search Dr Troy Stapleton for great videos on eating low carbohydrate. Also, I strongly suggest reading 'Diabetes 101' by Jenny Ruhl. It gives very compelling evidence on how to manage diabetes well.
 
Hi,

I have just recently been diagnosed as Type Ii diabetic. I'm a 59 year old male with a normal BMI but with an overlarge waist and probably a light frame. I will not see the dietician or nurse until next week. I have been started on metformin as my HBA1c was very high and unequivocal. As I have been reading on what to do I am uncertain about dietary advice. The NHS site suggests 50% of your calories as carbohydrate. This seems counter-intuitive to me but I am worried about putting up my cardiac risk by upping the fats. What would people advise ?

Cheers
Hi & welcome.
Your correct in thinking 50% carbs is counter productive & criminal.
 
Hi, welcome :)

NHS diet advice is rubbish. Yes low carb is the way to go, and eating fat doesn't make you fat - Trudi Deakin's book is a good intro, as is the LCHF website. Also have a read of the item linked first below, and ask any other questions.
 
Hi Jim,
If you have read anything about my condition, you will have seen that I have to low carb.
I say that I'm allergic! I'm not! But it's easier to say that.
You sound as if your in the same boat.
The only difference is that I take sitagliptin. Which is an inhibitor. Any gliptin which are relatively new on the scene will help with insulin production while reducing blood glucose levels.
Have you had hypos?
Have you had all the tests? Especially OGGT?
Sorry for the questions, but I was just wondering why you were taken off the meds, can it be just weight loss?
Congrats on the weight loss by the way, very low carb has shed loads for me as well.

Nosher

Sorry but not read about your condition.

Oh I forgot I was on sitagliptin too but they stopped it when I went on insulin.

When I first started the Newcastle Diet I immediately stopped insulin as I was concerned about hypos. and then a couple of weeks into it stopped other medication too. Didn't get any hypo symptoms but was getting readings in the 3's. regularly. Still do occasionally.

The only tests I have is the HbA1c - never had the OGGT.

I took myself off the meds and told my diabetes nurse a few months later. She was ok about it.

I think the weight loss helped but still diabetic. If I have too many carbs the blood sugars are pretty bad.

Thanks :) I could do with losing a few more kilos but stopped due to a bit of saggy skin. I was pretty big at over seventeen and a half stone. The low carb diet I'm on suits me ok and have maintained my weight for a few months now.

Keep up the good work

Jim :)
 
Thanks Jim,
I'm just intrigued, that's all.
If you want to, have a read of my first blog, and the journey to where I am now.
We seem to have similar experiences.
I got to see a really good consultant who recognised my condition.
I was also diagnosed T2. Put on metformin. And they didn't have a clue, until I got referred.

Do you spike quickly, when eating carbs, and if you don't eat go into hypo?
Do you have a fasting level that's always between 4-6 mmols?

Thanks for answering.

Nosher
 
Thanks Jim,
I'm just intrigued, that's all.
If you want to, have a read of my first blog, and the journey to where I am now.
We seem to have similar experiences.
I got to see a really good consultant who recognised my condition.
I was also diagnosed T2. Put on metformin. And they didn't have a clue, until I got referred.

Do you spike quickly, when eating carbs, and if you don't eat go into hypo?
Do you have a fasting level that's always between 4-6 mmols?

Thanks for answering.

Nosher

I don't know if I spike quickly. I only test before and two hours after meals. I eat at the same time every day but I have had a few readings in the 3's before my evening meal. (No hypo symptoms)

Since I've been on a low carb diet my levels are pretty much always in the 4's first thing in the morning.

Have you got a link to your blog?

Jim :)
 
Thanks Jim

Go to top of this page click on blogs. Then at the top click on all blogs, my first should be there about two thirds down.

Thanks,

Seeing that you never knowingly go hypo, and I never had a clue about hypos till my doctor asked me,
You are probably diabetic or doing such a good job of it that you consider yourself non diabetic.

Well done mate, keep up the good work.

Nosher
 
Thanks all, for your help and advice. I am now three months into this thing and am glad to say that I followed the advice here to try a low car diet. My initial HBA1c was 118 but my HBA1c this week was 34 (with good lipid results). I have lost a lot of weight, my waist line has dropped 4 inches and my blood pressure is lower. I don't think I would have managed this using the eatwell plate.
 
Just an update, I've stayed on the low carb diet, perhaps less strictly but still fairly good. My weigth has stayed down, my lipds ahev been fine and three months after stopping medication (metformin) my HBA1C is 37. I noted that the TV Dr - the new show on the BBC last night - had good results with the guy who had Type II DM by promoting low carbs and exercise.
 
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