Should the law mandate vegan meals

[Oldvatr]

This is coming up before the Scottish Parliament soon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46468298

 

[hankjam]

I stopped at "Unfortunately there is very little awareness of the rights of vegans".... really? People live as they choose or are able to... I have no idea why I need to be beware, it's up to them.

 

[archersuz]

When I was at school (yes I sound like my mother!), I didn't eat meat and my fried didn't eat potatoes. We used to swap food and both ended up happy! I still don't eat much meat and have to eat fewer potatoes........ so what's left? EVIL CHEESE! But that's for another forum

 

[Spl@]

I stopped at "Unfortunately there is very little awareness of the rights of vegans".... really? People live as they choose or are able to... I have no idea why I need to be beware, it's up to them.

Same here, 'rights of vegans' surely their rights are the same as anybody else. Can I complain that the supermarkets are full of high carb foods. Gets my goat (deliberate) that all these people demand their rights at the expense of mine. Im not telling a vegan what to eat. If they want to live on grass get on with it. Why do these people never go with live and let live.

 

[hankjam]

I would suggest that the Scottish Government has a host of school related items to consider, including building safe schools that don't get blown down in a moderate wind, walls that don't collapse and kill a pupil, staff - pupil ratios, not testing weans before it tries to get children to eat their greens.... but then with Swinney in post anything but good is likely to happen.

 

[Bluetit1802]

I am not entirely convinced that vegan meals are 100% healthy for children, and even less convinced that children would want vegan school meals. Surely if the parents are adamant their offspring should eat this way they can prepare packed lunches for them, presumably along with the supplement pills they need. It is ridiculous.

 

[Grant_Vicat]

Same here, 'rights of vegans' surely their rights are the same as anybody else. Can I complain that the supermarkets are full of high carb foods. Gets my goat (deliberate) that all these people demand their rights at the expense of mine. Im not telling a vegan what to eat. If they want to live on grass get on with it. Why do these people never go with live and let live.

I also don't see how you can put hospital and school catering on the same playing field as restaurants! I have nothing against people having their own views in life, provided they don't force them on to others. I live in a region densely populated by pigs. If nobody ate them they would not exist.

 

[lucylocket61]

I am told that it is my responsibility to stop eating meat or dairy to help feed the ever growing population on this planet, as it appears that meat/dairy takes more crop land and resources (which is debatable) However, I am not sure why other peoples decision to have several children takes precedence over my need for food which does not harm my body.

Nor am I sure why a vegan diet is now being seen as a right, but my need, for health reasons, for a low carb diet is not.

I am hoping this is just a diversionary bandwagon to defect attention from other issues, and another way of blaming others for the consequences of political decisions.

 

[There is no Spoon]

I have no idea why I need to be beware

Because the case can be argued that vegan's imposing there "right" to decide what is good for the rest of us, is the underlying cause for the global diabetes problem. (well at least in the west)

Ellen G White > Seventh Day Adventists>Kellogs >eat more veg> less meat> eat more carbs> food pyramid> diabetes.

 

[lucylocket61]

Because the case can be argued that vegan's imposing there "right" to decide what is good for the rest of us, is the underlying cause for the global diabetes problem. (well at least in the west)

Ellen G White > Seventh Day Adventists>Kellogs >eat more veg> less meat> eat more carbs> food pyramid> diabetes.

can the case be argued that way? not with any truth or accuracy.
eta: ignore me, i didnt read the post correctly : )

 

[bulkbiker]

can the case be argued that way? not with any truth or accuracy.

Yes it could be argued that way...

https://www.isupportgary.com/articles/seventh-day-adventist-plant-based-nutrition

Gary Fettkes wife Belinda wrote this interesting piece about it..

 

[lucylocket61]

Because the case can be argued that vegan's imposing there "right" to decide what is good for the rest of us, is the underlying cause for the global diabetes problem. (well at least in the west)

Ellen G White > Seventh Day Adventists>Kellogs >eat more veg> less meat> eat more carbs> food pyramid> diabetes.

I mis read what you posted, sorry .

 

[Spl@]

As a hgv driver, the bit all these vegetable specialists fail to realise is what actually feeds the ground their precious vegetables grow in. Same with hydroponics too.

Its poop, lots and lots of poop. No animals, no poop. Human poop spoils the ground and is by no means organic.

I have delivered the poop and the awful chemicals involved with hydroponics.​

 

[Grant_Vicat]

I wonder how they cope with the fact that Jesus ate fish and drank wine? If passionate intentions had been absent, similarly would have been Ellen G. White!

 

[Hotpepper20000]

I live in Canada and the only way to be able to eat a all plant based diet is to have most of my food trucked from southern USA or Southamerica in the winter.
There is no way that that having all that food transported so far is better.
The over processed vegan products are no way healthier then a nice steak.

https://www.gardein.com/products/gluten-free-beefless-ground/
http://yvesveggie.com/en/products/dogs-and-sausages/veggie-dogs/

Eat what you want but don’t preach too me vegan eating is better for the planet.

 

[fpl]

I don't understand what the problem is. The Vegan Society is simply requesting the possibility to have a plant based meal in hospitals or schools. They are not imposing or judging anything here. (I'm not vegan myself).

 

[Oldvatr]

I don't understand what the problem is. The Vegan Society is simply requesting the possibility to have a plant based meal in hospitals or schools. They are not imposing or judging anything here. (I'm not vegan myself).

I think you will find it is not so simple as this. Premises chosen to serve vegan food will need to be adapted to give a separate prep and storage area to prevent cross contamination. At present this is not a legal requirement but the Act being prepared for MSP's to vote on later this year brings in regulation and licencing requirements as a legal necessity.
https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/307955/vegetarian-and-vegan-foods

Edit to add: This is to be reinforced by the EU as follows
http://www.euroveg.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/EVU-PP-Definition-FIC-September2015.pdf

 

[There is no Spoon]

I don't understand what the problem is. The Vegan Society is simply requesting the possibility to have a plant based meal in hospitals or schools.

Hi fpl I think you have picked that up wrong they are not requesting anything but demanding something and want it to be made law.

Think of it like this:
IF I choose to stop wearing shoes I do not have a legal right to demand that all government buildings have heated floors.

And that's the crux of it, being vegan is a choice. (not down on vegans) Should there be a vegan option on the menu in this day and age? Yes. Why not.

Is it a legal right? Hell no.

 

[bulkbiker]

I don't understand what the problem is. The Vegan Society is simply requesting the possibility to have a plant based meal in hospitals or schools. They are not imposing or judging anything here. (I'm not vegan myself).

They will demand animal produce free kitchens to produce "proper" vegan food and so the schools will have to go completely vegan in order to make this work. I'm afraid it is just another element of "vegan creep" that we are seeing. With so few vegans in the UK it seems weird that they are allowed to get away with making so much noise with so little checking on the science they use to promote their ideology..

 

[Guzzler]

I don't understand what the problem is. The Vegan Society is simply requesting the possibility to have a plant based meal in hospitals or schools. They are not imposing or judging anything here. (I'm not vegan myself).

I suggest that they do indeed judge non vegan choices. I have a problem with the terminology they use regularly. An oft used term is 'I am vegan for ethical reasons' suggesting that non vegans are unethical or even immoral. This is sometimes accompanied by pseudo science and almost always comes with an emotional argument. Take this emotional element out of the equation and what is left?