SouthernGeneral6512 said:It's strange because it's the bringing together of protein and carbs that makes the meal ... meat on a roll, meat filling in a pie or meat and 2 veg and yet this cornerstone of our civilisation is apparently harmful
The warnings—taking a statin may increase the odds of developing type 2 diabetes or suffering reversible memory loss or problems thinking
Blood sugar
In some clinical trials, participants who took a statin were more likely to develop higher blood sugar than those taking a placebo. In two meta-analyses of data from these trials, the increases were 6% to 13%. Whether this translates into type 2 diabetes is as-yet unknown. Based on these findings, the FDA is warning that statin use increases blood sugar or glycosylated hemoglobin (HbA1c) levels in some people. HbA1c is a measure of a person’s average blood sugar level over a three-month period.
Memory loss
Memory loss is another possible side effect the FDA is now warning about. Occasional reports in the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS) tell the story of mostly older men and women who experience memory loss or changes in thinking skills after starting a statin, only to have it disappear after stopping the drug. In some, the problem began within days of starting the drug; in others it began years afterward. Results from observational studies and clinical trials, though, offer no evidence that statin use causes permanent long-term thinking or memory problems. And several studies looking at the relationship between dementia and statins suggest the opposite—that taking a statin lowers the risk of dementia.
jopar said:Stephen reckoned I was hypocholesterolemia, Now I assume that because a healthy cholesterol is consider to be above 3 and below 5, I actually call this scraping the barrel, as I can't argue that my chosen diet is better with better results when it isn't so lets try to suggest something else! Nice try...
It really is a time bomb isn't it considering people are eating an increasing amount of refined carbohydrates every year :sick:.borofergie said:SouthernGeneral6512 said:It's strange because it's the bringing together of protein and carbs that makes the meal ... meat on a roll, meat filling in a pie or meat and 2 veg and yet this cornerstone of our civilisation is apparently harmful
It's not that carbohydrates are harmful in themselves, it's an excess of refined carbs that is the real problem.
SouthernGeneral6512 said:It really is a time bomb isn't it considering people are eating an increasing amount of refined carbohydrates every year :sick:.borofergie said:SouthernGeneral6512 said:It's strange because it's the bringing together of protein and carbs that makes the meal ... meat on a roll, meat filling in a pie or meat and 2 veg and yet this cornerstone of our civilisation is apparently harmful
It's not that carbohydrates are harmful in themselves, it's an excess of refined carbs that is the real problem.
Do you think that your 80% fat diet would suit everyone as well as it obviously suits you or do you think we are individuals when it comes to eating for health?
borofergie wrote
There are som excellent health benefits if you can hack it though, along with some unknown risks.
Donald Rumsfeld said
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
There does seem to be a lot of unknowns surrounding these tablets, when I was initially put on them I was prescribed simvastatin but these gave me terrible leg cramps and headaches, so my GP changed to Provastatin these do not have any side effects and on the whole I have noticed no outward ill effects, but that does not ease my concerns for long term use, and my GP's readiness to prescribe. I think I will remain off them until I see what my next blood test results look like at present my Total cholesterol is at 5 and LDL @ 2.9 if I see the LDL coming down and HDL up I will stay off them.xyzzy said:Some more stuff to be aware of from within that 2012 FDA warning on Statins as reported by the Harvard Medical School
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/fda-changes-safety-information-on-statin-drugs-201202294429
The warnings—taking a statin may increase the odds of developing type 2 diabetes or suffering reversible memory loss or problems thinking
Blood sugar
In some clinical trials, participants who took a statin were more likely to develop higher blood sugar than those taking a placebo. In two meta-analyses of data from these trials, the increases were 6% to 13%. Whether this translates into type 2 diabetes is as-yet unknown. Based on these findings, the FDA is warning that statin use increases blood sugar or glycosylated hemoglobin (HbA1c) levels in some people. HbA1c is a measure of a person’s average blood sugar level over a three-month period.
Memory loss
Memory loss is another possible side effect the FDA is now warning about. Occasional reports in the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System (AERS) tell the story of mostly older men and women who experience memory loss or changes in thinking skills after starting a statin, only to have it disappear after stopping the drug. In some, the problem began within days of starting the drug; in others it began years afterward. Results from observational studies and clinical trials, though, offer no evidence that statin use causes permanent long-term thinking or memory problems. And several studies looking at the relationship between dementia and statins suggest the opposite—that taking a statin lowers the risk of dementia.
RoyG said:There does seem to be a lot of unknowns surrounding these tablets, when I was initially put on them I was prescribed simvastatin but these gave me terrible leg cramps and headaches, so my GP changed to Provastatin these do not have any side effects and on the whole I have noticed no outward ill effects, but that does not ease my concerns for long term use, and my GP's readiness to prescribe. I think I will remain off them until I see what my next blood test results look like at present my Total cholesterol is at 5 and LDL @ 2.9 if I see the LDL coming down and HDL up I will stay off them.
xyzzy said:Yes Roy I agree. I have a personal belief that there is some upper health limit on total cholesterol and that in that context taking a statin to get you quickly lowered is probably less of a risk than keeping a high level especially if you are not suffering any noticeable side effects
borofergie said:I eat less than 25g because I choose to be in deep ketosis. That's not an easy thing to do and I think it's unnecessary for most diabetics. There are som excellent health benefits if you can hack it though, along with some unknown risks.
borofergie said:xyzzy said:Yes Roy I agree. I have a personal belief that there is some upper health limit on total cholesterol and that in that context taking a statin to get you quickly lowered is probably less of a risk than keeping a high level especially if you are not suffering any noticeable side effects
But Total Cholesterol is a nonsense number. Take two different lipoproteins and add a fifth of triglycerides. Hubble, bubble, toil and trouble. What does that mean in a physical sense? Absolutely nothing, that's what...
It might well correlate with risk of CVD, but (as an engineer) I am very suspicious of a number that doesn't represent some physical quantity.
xyzzy said:Yes Roy I agree. I have a personal belief that there is some upper health limit on LDL and triglyceride's and in that context taking a statin to get them quickly lowered is probably less of a risk than keeping a high level especially if you are not suffering any noticeable side effects
Defren said:borofergie said:I eat less than 25g because I choose to be in deep ketosis. That's not an easy thing to do and I think it's unnecessary for most diabetics. There are som excellent health benefits if you can hack it though, along with some unknown risks.
My diet is around the same as yours, certainly carb wise, and like you I am in deep ketosis and prefer that. My entire body seems to function so much better with ultra low carbs, and I feel wonderful now. It isn't the easiest choice of diet, but for me the benefits far outweigh the negatives, and yes, there are possibly unknown risks, but as far as I am concerned no more risky than going outdoors and being hit by a bus.
One question I do have Stephen, while in deep ketosis due to ultra low carbing, do I need to be mindful of calories taken in, to continue weight loss, or will I still lose as my body will only take in what it really needs? I ask as yesterday, I was a bit of a wee piggy and had 2,155 calories. I have never taken in that many calories since I began to low carb in March.
borofergie said:Defren said:borofergie said:I eat less than 25g because I choose to be in deep ketosis. That's not an easy thing to do and I think it's unnecessary for most diabetics. There are som excellent health benefits if you can hack it though, along with some unknown risks.
My diet is around the same as yours, certainly carb wise, and like you I am in deep ketosis and prefer that. My entire body seems to function so much better with ultra low carbs, and I feel wonderful now. It isn't the easiest choice of diet, but for me the benefits far outweigh the negatives, and yes, there are possibly unknown risks, but as far as I am concerned no more risky than going outdoors and being hit by a bus.
One question I do have Stephen, while in deep ketosis due to ultra low carbing, do I need to be mindful of calories taken in, to continue weight loss, or will I still lose as my body will only take in what it really needs? I ask as yesterday, I was a bit of a wee piggy and had 2,155 calories. I have never taken in that many calories since I began to low carb in March.
I'm sure that you could put on weight if you really tried, but I don't count anything and the weight keeps coming off. I eat criminal amounts of double cream.
I tend to eat big meals, and avoid snacking. Sometimes, if I'm busy at work, I don't bother eating anything until dinner time. I have a great appetite when I eat, but I'm not troubled by feeling hungry (we I now associate with carb induced sugar rushes).
I think ketosis works by allowing you to listen to your body's signals, and by slightly blunting your appetite.
Unbeliever said:Has anyone who didn't need to lose weight tried the Newcastle diet? Would it be dangerous or could it work nore effecive by being able to immediately reduce the fat around organs.?
SouthernGeneral6512 said:Do you lose the visceral fat before the body fat Defren?
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