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Sid Bonkers said:
Not sure where I stand on the statin question as I am lucky enough to have naturally good cholesterol levels but one thing I know is that omeprazole is not at all hard to stop taking, I was taking it for over 3 years while on prednisolone to help protect my stomach and just stopped taking them after i weaned myself off the pred, coming off omeprazole was no problem at all.



So what is it that makes think they are hard to come off Joe?
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It's quite a common problem where by long term users find it difficult to come off omaprazole...I've come across many articles about this. In my case, prior to type 2 diagnosis, by the third day off the drug, I'd have pains all around my chest and back...then the wild heartburn that would be worse than before I went on the drug. Apparently , the heartburn comes back very much stronger and It certainly does in my case. Since going on HFLC diet, I don't get the pains, and I've not tried to see how long I can endure the heart burn. I have reduced my dosage to one 20mg pill every 3 days. That's as far as I can go without it. . Long term side effect is osteoporosis due to it blocking calcium absorption and most recently , there's a belief it can increase chances of dementia due to it blocking vitamin b12 production . It's a damned if you do damned if you don't drug.


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Joe Sweatthang said:
It's quite a common problem where by long term users find it difficult to come off omaprazole...I've come across many articles about this. In my case, prior to type 2 diagnosis, by the third day off the drug, I'd have pains all around my chest and back...then the wild heartburn that would be worse than before I went on the drug. Apparently , the heartburn comes back very much stronger and It certainly does in my case. Since going on HFLC diet, I don't get the pains, and I've not tried to see how long I can endure the heart burn. I have reduced my dosage to one 20mg pill every 3 days. That's as far as I can go without it. . Long term side effect is osteoporosis due to it blocking calcium absorption and most recently , there's a belief it can increase chances of dementia due to it blocking vitamin b12 production . It's a damned if you do damned if you don't drug.


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LCHF can in itself lead to osteoporosis, it's a side effect looked for, and treated, in epilepsy sufferers put on LCHF for medical reasons.
Omeprazole can then be prescribed to control the acid reflux caused by the diet, so it's a double whammy.
Heartburn for myself was caused by too much fat, I was prescribed omeprazole for years before I changed my diet after being diagnosed type 2, to low fat. When I did that, the acid reflux went, and I stopped taking them.

Different results for different people.
 
AnnieC said:
Yes thats exactly how I see them. I have been taking Simvastatin for nearly nine years as I was in the 20% group more likely to have a stroke or heart attack within 10 years. I have never had any side effects from them so quite happy to continue with them, That is my personal choice and we all have to make our own choices about them
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I take them also
 
douglas99 said:
LCHF can in itself lead to osteoporosis, it's a side effect looked for, and treated, in epilepsy sufferers put on LCHF for medical reasons.
Omeprazole can then be prescribed to control the acid reflux caused by the diet, so it's a double whammy.
Heartburn for myself was caused by too much fat, I was prescribed omeprazole for years before I changed my diet after being diagnosed type 2, to low fat. When I did that, the acid reflux went, and I stopped taking them.

Different results for different people.
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For me , a 3cm sliding hiatus hernia and barrets oesophagus had put me on omeprazole. The later I was informed had 10% chance of becoming cancerous (lethal). So there's the damned if I don't bit. At least on a lchf diet, you can take supplements such as calcium tabs... But omeprazole will cancel them out. That's why I have reduced my dose so that every 2nd-3rd day I load up with calcium and liver.


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Joe Sweatthang said:
It's quite a common problem where by long term users find it difficult to come off omaprazole...I've come across many articles about this. In my case, prior to type 2 diagnosis, by the third day off the drug, I'd have pains all around my chest and back...then the wild heartburn that would be worse than before I went on the drug. Apparently , the heartburn comes back very much stronger and It certainly does in my case.
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I certainly didnt get any of those symptoms when I stopped but then I never had heartburn to begin with so I would imagine that your problem may have had more to do with the cause of your heartburn than the actual withdrawal from the drug.
 
Sid.... Apparently , the acid comes back in over production mode for a while, and if you're sensitive to the acid in the first place , its like having a China syndrome parked at the top of your stomach.


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Should I take statins?
Since 80% of cardiovascular disease is caused by lack of exercise, poor diet and smoking, it would be better to address these factors rather than pop a statin
Should everyone over 50 be taking statins? asked an editorial in the Lancet last year. No, said an analysis article in last week's BMJ
It further points out that all the randomised trials in the Cochrane review were funded by the manufacturer of the statin being studied. Funnily enough another Cochrane review shows industry-sponsored studies are more likely to find positive results than non-commercial trials.
Link to article below

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/oct/27/should-i-take-statins
 
LCHF can in itself lead to osteoporosis, it's a side effect looked for, and treated, in epilepsy sufferers put on LCHF for medical reasons.
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I doubt the keto diet specifically developed for epileptics can be compared with the LCHF diet used by many on this forum

From Osteoporosis International
Conclusions
Although the patients on the low-carbohydrate diet did lose significantly more weight than the controls did, the diet did not increase bone turnover markers compared with controls at any time point. Further, there was no significant change in the bone turnover ratio compared with controls.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00198-006-0134-x
 
tonyS54 said:
I doubt the keto diet specifically developed for epileptics can be compared with the LCHF diet used by many on this forum

From Osteoporosis International
Conclusions
Although the patients on the low-carbohydrate diet did lose significantly more weight than the controls did, the diet did not increase bone turnover markers compared with controls at any time point. Further, there was no significant change in the bone turnover ratio compared with controls.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00198-006-0134-x
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Fair enough, so long as you're happy on it, and it's not the same LCHF keto diet you do, as the LCHF keto diet done by others.
Obviously the medical profession think the LCHF keto diet medically prescribed has the risk they do assess and treat though.
Others can decide for themselves if their LCHF diet is similar to either one and assess theirs accordingly.
 
shane-1 said:
do we diabetics have bone problems too ?,,,,,unsure,sorry for butting in
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No
It's an ongoing medical assessment carried out on epilepsy sufferers on a LCHF keto diet, as it can lead to loss of bone density. It's a symptom related to the diet, not the condition.
 
douglas99 said:
LCHF can in itself lead to osteoporosis, it's a side effect looked for, and treated, in epilepsy sufferers put on LCHF for medical reasons.
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That may well be true, though it's not in the list of side effects I was given for the keto diet, but osteoporosis is a known side-effect of long-term use of several commonly-used anti-epileptic drugs, notably Epilim (sodium valproate), and since they generally won't put a child on the keto diet until at least two drug treatments have failed, it must be hard to tell which treatment causes which long-term side effect. I'd be interested to see how they isolated the keto diet as a cause of osteoporosis.

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take em ! I don't see why people go to a doctor who has been to medical school for a number of years ,asking for his expert opinion,then going home and deciding to go against the advice they were given ,statins wouldn't be given or offered unless they were of some benefit to you ,but that's only my humble opinon....as im in the high risk category ,if I wasn't then it would of course be different as I probably wouldn't be offered them in the first place
 
I take them, and as I get no side effects will continue to take them.
I understand the confusions and worries with them, but when I weigh up the risks, I can't bring myself to discontinue something that I don't get even the slightest side effect from taking.
As a fairly young type 2, I have much longer to live with this disease than someone diagnosed later in life. Therefore, it's in my best interests to avoid high cholesterol and it's complications in the outset, rather than have to combat it some years down the line.
 
luceeloo said:
I take them, and as I get no side effects will continue to take them.
I understand the confusions and worries with them, but when I weigh up the risks, I can't bring myself to discontinue something that I don't get even the slightest side effect from taking.
As a fairly young type 2, I have much longer to live with this disease than someone diagnosed later in life. Therefore, it's in my best interests to avoid high cholesterol and it's complications in the outset, rather than have to combat it some years down the line.
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I agree ,though im middle aged ......
 
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