I agree when it's overboard but knowledge is power. I'm all for backing our experience up with what only some scientist will be mainly interested in. Proof.I don't appreciate being directed to studies when I know **** well what they did to me
It is coming over loud and clear. Too high or too low IS dangerous!Yes, there has been a change to the Report since it was first published. Issue 1 of the original report indicated that mortality risk increased when not only LDL went above a magic figure, but ALSO when it dropped below that figure, thus identifying a 'sweetspot' to aim for.
In the follow up report we are discussing, this has changed. Low LDL is still showing an increased risk, but the explanation for why has changed.
There was a tendancy among some, myself included, that made an assumption that if you take statins to lower LDL below the sweetspot, then this is good i.e. lower the better. The data apparently does not support this assumption; there are several clinical conditions [now listed in this follow up addendum] that Cochrane are sayng the increased fatal events are as a direct result of the clinical condition rather than the statins. This is plausible. However, it seems LDL being too low is still unwelcome news.
I agree when it's overboard but knowledge is power. I'm all for backing our experience up with what only some scientist will be mainly interested in. Proof.
I've been thinking about this subject this morning, as there is another thread where someone asks for advice. I was wondering (and it's just my thoughts, nothing more than that) why some people's cholesterol go up when they have extra dairy fats and sat fats and others don't. Is it because these fats contain cholesterol? Or is it perhaps that these people have a mild dairy intolerance which then increases inflammation in the body and causes the body to produce more cholesterol to protect from the resulting extra inflamation caused by the intolerance? So when dairy intake is reduced then the inflammation and cholesterol levels both go down?
Like I said, just thinking aloud, don't mind me, while I'm asking this question here I am giving my poor hubby a rest from what he calls my 'What if?....syndrome'
Not a bad question at all. as there must be some mechanism that differs from person to person. I did read a very learned treatise on the endocrine system where it discussed the role of cholesterol in its journey fron Chylomicron , VLDL.LDL trigs to HDL and VLDL and exit. This paper also dealt with the role of enzymes in this process. Now each of us has different flora and fauna in our guts, so we all digest things in different ways. This may answer to the why me? question above.I've been thinking about this subject this morning, as there is another thread where someone asks for advice. I was wondering (and it's just my thoughts, nothing more than that) why some people's cholesterol go up when they have extra dairy fats and sat fats and others don't. Is it because these fats contain cholesterol? Or is it perhaps that these people have a mild dairy intolerance which then increases inflammation in the body and causes the body to produce more cholesterol to protect from the resulting extra inflamation caused by the intolerance? So when dairy intake is reduced then the inflammation and cholesterol levels both go down?
Like I said, just thinking aloud, don't mind me, while I'm asking this question here I am giving my poor hubby a rest from what he calls my 'What if?....syndrome'
As far as I know there isn't one.. even Keys apparently came to the conclusion that dietary fat has little if any impact on cholesterol levels. Zoe Harcombes latest video put's it all quite succinctly and is detailed enough for me. When the WHF president (retired) also supports natural fats as being beneficial that's a slam dunk for me.saturated fat increases cholesterol, but none say why or how this statement came about. May be someone can provide a relevant study that demonstrates this
why some people's cholesterol go up when they have extra dairy fats and sat fats and others don't. Is it because these fats contain cholesterol?
My hba1c certainly dropped when I stopped dairy. Fingers crossed it works for you. Diabetes might keep moving the goalposts, but you'll get thereNo, eating cholesterol does not increase your cholesterol levels, even Ancel Keys was saying that back in the late 50s. There's been plenty of empirical evidence to support that and the one piece of evidence that amuses me is the Surrey University trial where they made test subjects (students) eat several eggs a day for 12 weeks. End result was no change in total cholesterol. The thought of students eating loads of eggs just tickles my inner youth, very childish, but so what.
I've just had an HbA1c and fasting cholesterol test only 3 months after the last one because HbA1c is gone wrong.
Unfortunately my HbA1c is elevated at 57 (used to be 44) and it's obvious my body makes glucose out of whatever it can get, probably protein. Why it's decided to do that after 4 years I have no idea. Also my total cholesterol has gone from 4 to 5.4 in the space of 3 months, no proper explanation for that but confirms my decision to cut out the HF bit of LCHF again. Dairy is now verboten.
To be tested in 3 months, shame about the HbA1c but does show that the low carb thing may not be enough for everyone. Just wish I understood the change.
My hba1c increases with no nuts, no cheese and no cream/butter.My hba1c certainly dropped when I stopped dairy. Fingers crossed it works for you. Diabetes might keep moving the goalposts, but you'll get there
My hba1c certainly dropped when I stopped dairy. Fingers crossed it works for you. Diabetes might keep moving the goalposts, but you'll get there
Sorry Sid, I stll have issue with what you are posting here.
Then I guess we will have to disagree. I don't accept guru's or spiritual leaders of whatever leaning, and I certainly do not accept published reports at face value. Call it lack of faith, I call it prudence. My job was Safety Involved, so I tried to make sure that our company produced the most reliable equipment we possibly could. So if you ever fly in an airliner,, just pray that I succeeded, I had to meet many Standards required for CAA and EASA flight Certification and perform rigorous testing and analysis. I know how easy it is to fudge test results, especially when using statistics. Governments have been using them for years to justify things and bamboozle us.As I said earlier the Cockrane Library look at ALL available data and base their reviews on evidence from all sources and they are totally unbiased they do not have an agenda, they do not cherry pick the data they want and disregard or even rubbish all the rest.
At the end of the day you can believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, Im not telling you what you should do or what to believe, all I did was post a link that some people might find interesting, if you choose to believe something else then thats your prerogative.
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