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Type 2 Statins - GP insisting Simvastatin 20mg

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Jan_P, Feb 26, 2018.

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  1. BrianTheElder

    BrianTheElder Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @Rachox Did your discussions with the doctor cover whether your T2D (diet controlled) affects the new Q-risk score. It has always seemed odd that you have to add on big numbers even though you are not currently diabetic. I did my own numbers on the new tests and was very low risk if you can ignore the T2D.
     
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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    Just a slight correction, I take Metformin so I’m not solely diet controlled. However he did agree with me that it wasn’t fair that all Type 2s score the same regardless of control. He did say, and quite rightly, that you’ll never know if you have suffered any damage between the start of your diabetes and diagnosis. There definitely needs to be graded scores for Diabetes, maybe score all diabetics a couple of percent as a blanket score but then add more as your HbA1c rises?
     
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    TheBigNewt Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    If you are unlucky enough to get the muscle pain it goes away when you stop the drug. Only about 1 person in maybe 5,000 gets any actual muscle "damage'' measure by CPK enzymes. That's REALLY rare. All the bad stuff's reversible.
     
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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    I’m not risking being the one of 5000 that does get the permanent damage!
     
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    TheBigNewt Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Actually I've never seen that happen and I've prescribed statins since they came out. Muscle pain yes, liver function test elevations (reversible) yes. I think one weird bad thing I forget. that's it. I have a feeling the providers there get some sort of Good Do Bee quality points for doing this risk assessment and getting some people to take preventive therapy like statins. I don't use 'em a lot for that.
     
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    paulus1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    i had the reversible pain unplesant. my liver function tests are still out of range.
     
  7. TheBigNewt

    TheBigNewt Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    There's a gazillion reasons for LFTs to be out of range. If it's statin they go back. If don't go back still blame statin.
     
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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    I had a drug some years ago and had a side effect quoted in the data sheet as 1 in 10,000!
     
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    TheBigNewt Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Then don't you dare read about metformin!
     
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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    It’s ok Metformin is just fine for me luckily!
     
  11. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    Tap water where I am will raise your blood sugar it has fluoride in it.
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    Well there we go ...... we can't eat or drink anything. :arghh:
     
  13. paulus1

    paulus1 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    well it was normal before and then went mad when they put me on 80mg simbastatin sorry cant spell. think my gpwas mad to increase my dose by 8x. i refused it for a number of years then had a cardiac issue and am taking it at 10mg my bloods are off but not as bad as at 80mg. ive just had to go through a screening for liver conditions all normal apart from the alt and aft
     
  14. LucySW

    LucySW Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Grrrrr. Glucose control is MUCH more important. Sorry just to assert, but it makes me so cross.

    Evidence: suggest you read Peter Attia blog for in-depth on cholesterol, if you like science. Malcolm Kendricks is also good, if annoyingly jokey sometimes. Fact remains that lowering cholesterol for women has always increased all-cause mortality. Not one single study where it hasn’t. I would never take statins.

    Read, research. Good luck!
     
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    Atorvastatin 4Omg a day gave my dad uncomfortable muscles pain enough to prevent him from wanting to exercise and increase his bg reading by around 10%. The side effects took about two weeks to appear and a month to go away after tapering it off.
     
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    BrianTheElder Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @millenium That really struck a chord. I have so often seen my Doctor and DN give me the blank look, over numbness in the feet, pins and needles, low B12, statin problems... It must be deliberate.
     
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    Indy51 Type 2 · Expert

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    If anyone is interested, Justin Smith has released the full version of Statin Nation I on Youtube:

     
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