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Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by Avocado Sevenfold, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. spaceman

    spaceman Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    i say too hell with the calories in currys my partners a type 2 im a type 1 once a week we have a chinease takeaway curry, he gets a chicken/ beef curry and i get a pork curry with noodles /and fried rice now theres enough for 2 plate fulls each. the next morning my readings are around 8.4
     
  2. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    [quote="FatGenes999, post: 469598, member: 93031
    Btw, would you happen to know WHY I would get high BG readings from pepper-jack cheese? My BG has improved over the past few days,while I'm still experimenting; but, I did notice a high BG reading after the cheese, quite a few hours later, in fact. The vision is blurry too, and that usually means poor sugar assimilation.:([/quote]

    I'll quote and answer myself here, if no one minds.:rolleyes:
    Based on some quick research, I found that cheese can cause BG rise hours after eaten because of the insulin index. This would most likely occur when eaten without carbs. This has to do with slowly breaking down proteins. Cheese itself contains no sugar, though.

    Yeah, cauliflower is great. Can't wait to get some. Looking forward to artichokes too.
     
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  3. Sorry to read that you are blurry. I thought cheese was pretty benign. I read on here recently to watch out for the grated/shredded cheeses as they add potato starch to the mix to stop it clumping. I didn't know that about eating without carbs, thanks. Are you sure you are not coming down with a cold or something as that can push up your bg? Hope you get back to normal soon :)
     
  4. I am laughing at mo and the bear with their cauliflower popcorn envy! :playful: I can report that it was not too bad! My oven is a piece of junk so I managed to burn it a bit, but it was still edible.

    I used cauli florets, turmeric, salt and one cal spray. The funky, sprouty taste disappeared and it was quite sweet (in the non-burnt bits lol) Not selling this am I? I think I will make it next time in the actifry. Thanks for the idea, Carraway.

    If my guts are bad in the morning, I will blame the metformin that I'll be taking for the first time ever in the morning. Or the gin. Fingers crossed :nailbiting:
     
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    carraway Prefer not to say · Well-Known Member

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    As long as you don't blame me!
     
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    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

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    cheese
    I'll quote and answer myself here, if no one minds.:rolleyes:
    Based on some quick research, I found that cheese can cause BG rise hours after eaten because of the insulin index. This would most likely occur when eaten without carbs. This has to do with slowly breaking down proteins. Cheese itself contains no sugar, though.

    Yeah, cauliflower is great. Can't wait to get some. Looking forward to artichokes too.[/quote]



    cheese causes bg rise? wow, all different once again :) never had that effect on me, phew
     
  7. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    cheese causes bg rise? wow, all different once again :) never had that effect on me, phew[/quote]

    :grumpy:Yep, I just read that some people are affected by higher BG at least 4 hours after eating cheese .
    (Milk I could expect because the carton always indicates a sugar content.)
    Mine happened after 6 hours. It's pretty complicated to understand, therefore, for me to explain. What seems to be involved is the fat/protein and insulin issues.
    i was starting to feel pretty good yesterday, then last night I had the cheese and today I feel 'hungover" again, and like I said, had significantly higher BG. The cheese is the only food that could have done this.
    I'm very disappointed as I thought cheese would be a safe "default" food. I'll try again in the near future, miniscule amount this time.
    Everyone is so different.
     
  8. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, luvie. No, unfortunately I've become all too familiar with the particular feeling of food-based high BG.:inpain: It's definitely that.
    Until today, almost everything I've ever read on cheese and BG would indicate it is pretty benign. Maybe its a very individual occurrence, and with different factors involved.
    This is pepper-jack block cheese. Could be the particular brand, as I have never used this brand before. Maybe there is potato starch in it although the ingredients don't list it. It feels like the yukky potato starch overdose.
    Hope everyone here continues to enjoy their cheese, though! ;)
     
  9. That's a shame. Hope that this is just a phase and that you get your cheese mojo back again soon.

    I was thinking recently that it is weird how a bad food can make us feel so rotten...like you described it as a hangover. Before I changed my diet pending diagnosis, I reckon I must have felt like that all the time, but was so used to it that it became the norm and I didn't realise that something was wrong . This is what is keeping me from freaking out about the diagnosis. I am not living in a fog anymore and am fortunate to know what is going on now
     
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    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Oh, yeah. Yesterday I was starting to feel so much healthier after lowering all carbs for about 2 weeks.
    Then the cheese thing happened:hungover:
    The hungover feeling had begun about 3 months ago for me, that's why I knew there was definitely something wrong. My GP had warned me over 6 months ago. Now it looks like unless I keep the BG down I will always feel hungover. Horrible and dangerous.


    Outdoors is literally a "slippery-slope for me". We have continual ice and snow where I currently live, and I risk my life by walking outside because I still feel somewhat dizzy and weak sometimes. It's so easy to slip and fall even with my snow boots and spiked-cleats foot-gear. Then I have to worry about hypothermia if I couldn't get up and there was no one around. Crossing the streets, even with the green light, is terrifying for me. I have so much shame and embarrassment for not being able to be as physically agile as I usually am.
    So, the "complications" of diabetes are vast, directly and indirectly. I hate this ailment and I look forward to having stable BG like you and so many other members here have achieved. Hopefully, this will be my last week of having to "experiment" and I'll be able to stick to only the foods that work.
     
  11. Oh I hate snow and ice. Could you carry a personal attack alarm or whistle in case you get upended on the ice and need assistance? And your phone of course. Doctor Avocado's orders - ditch the shame and embarrassment...anything that causes stress is bad for your bg. Spring is coming and your blood is getting better :)

    Off to bed now. Night night.
     
  12. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ha, ha, I'm just going to bed now, it's 4:00 a.m. here, in the States. Hope you slept well.
    Yes, Doc Avo, I carry at least a cell-phone that I can easily get to, for that very reason. Thanks for all the concern and encouragement.

    Btw, I'm starting to feel better. Whatever the culprit was is probably out of my system.
    Now I'm thinking It could have been all of the salt in the cheese, as "salt" was listed as an extra ingredient on the label, which is odd.

    I am also thinking about the most obvious ---- peanut butter. High carbs, duh:facepalm:. I've been eating the natural peanut butter and celery for the past few days. I shouldn't so easily assume it was the cheese.

    I'm also researching candida yeast infection, as I understand those of use with diabetes, and other digestive disorders, could have the candida problem as an underlying cause. The "cure ' for that is, as you may know, a highly restrictive diet. Not even fruits are allowed.

    Cheers, and see yer later.
     
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    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

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    peanut butter is low carb if no added sugar :)
     
  14. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That's what I thought, but, maybe I'll just cut down on it, though.:)() Too much of anything is not good.


    I can't go through too much more experimenting at this point, and thankfully, my BG numbers, although not ideal, are getting "tighter".
    I've also used so many strips for the glucometer over the past two weeks that I'm almost down to nothing. I'll probably just stick to what I know works at this point.

    I also know that salt by itself , as the high salt content in the cheese, wouldn't have caused that spike; could have been a combination of things at the time, but my vision is a lot better today and my balance is also, fortunately. .
     
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  15. Happy Burn's Night! :woot: We had curry...very traditional lol Thai quorn curry. I tried a recipe from my new book - paneer and herb fritters. Due to my fuzzy eyes I misread one of the ingredients and kinda screwed it up and they ended up too dry. Only edible due to pakora sauce. Will try again another time.

    My peanut butter is Whole Earth no added sugar hippy stuff - twice the price, half the carbs. The cheaper ones have ingredients such as dextrose, cane sugar. I take a child to the shops with me who can read labels. It is an irony that this condition makes label reading essential but my eyes are too blurry to read the bloomin' things!

    I took my first metformin today. So far so good!

    I don't know much about candida except that a persistent dose of thrush was the final straw that made me realise that I may have diabetes. The doctor gave me a large, single tablet which I took orally and it nailed it in one go. I think improved bg control is keeping it at bay. I have been buying my bg testing strips on eBay. I don't like to ponder why people have strips to sell. They work out at a third of the price.
     
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  16. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    :joyful:Just added something new to my UK info file - Burn's Night,, a birthday commemoration for the Scottish poet, Robert Burns.

    Hope the Metformin continues to help you. I will go that route if I need to.

    I always try to stay with the hippie peanut butter myself; I just have to know when enough is enough. I think I'm overcompensating a bit right now because I know I won't be able to get away with "wandering" as I have, throughout my life.

    The food and exercise program I had instinctively come up with for myself, in High School :)eek:!!!!!), was actually the best for someone who has the genes for insulin problems. Very low carbs, medium fats and proteins, routine exercise. Anytime I've returned to that I've always felt better.


    I'll request to be tested for candida in the near future. So much of what helps insulin-resistance also seems to kill off the horrid systemic yeast.

    In the States we now have mandatory nationalized health care --- Obamacare----- and I am waiting for my benefits to kick in. Then I can get moving on other medical concerns related to the diabetes, such as seeing the eye and foot specialists. I can get the strips at very low cost that way, too.
     
  17. Every day is a school day on this thread. Tomorrow's lesson: Australia Day.

    In Scotland we are fortunate to have free eye tests and free prescription medicine. Not so fortunate in other parts of the UK. I have my retinal screening appointment at the hospital on 11 February. Not worried about my eyes as I had them tested on Christmas Eve by the lovely local guy, more worried about going to hospital and being in a big building as that kind of thing panics me. Putting it to the back of my mind for now and will jump off that bridge when I come to it.
     
  18. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    On this forum we should have holidays in celebration of certain foods that have helped us, y'know, Avocado Day, Peanut Butter Day, Garlic Day, etc. Maybe a whole week in honor of "Low-Carbing". LOL, :hilarious:Tributes to foods and lifestyles that are literally keeping us alive.

    Australia Day: Honors the first British Colony in Australia, at Sydney Cove.:smug: 1788.
     
  19. Andy12345

    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

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    in chinese diabetc circles 2014 is the year of the jelly

    :)
     
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  20. FatGenes999

    FatGenes999 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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