yes this is exactly my point
i was thin and eating boiled veggies and fish or chicken and i exercised daily and yet i am obese and diabetic and i did everything rright
Judging by media reports and the ongoing trickle of medical articles, studies and meta-studies, there appears to be a significant correlation between unnecessary refined carbs in the average diet and a number of diseases, including Type 2 and certain cardio-vascular conditions.
As a number of people I know who are neither overweight nor have poor lifestyles (one regularly runs half marathons) have developed type 2, there is clearly more to it than just "not looking after yourself"....
I've just had a quick Google, "NHS Advice for type II", the first URL advises a "healthy , balanced diet", if you click on that, it's all about losing weight and amongst other things it recommends processed foods which if I'm not mistaken is prepacked.They don't.
They tell every overweight, or over drinker, or over eater, or donut lover, or macdonalds lover, or couch potato, to look at their lifestyle. The fact I fitted all that, and was diabetic, didn't affect their advice.
I'm sure if I had gone in with a heart attack, or a stroke, or high blood pressure, or even a sprained ankle, I would have been told to look at my lifestyle.
I also think you would be very hard pushed to find the NHS advising to eat refined carbs as well. They generally advise a moderate amount of food overall, and the preference is towards freshly prepared foods, not prepacked.
I've just had a quick Google, "NHS Advice for type II", the first URL advises a "healthy , balanced diet", if you click on that, it's all about losing weight and amongst other things it recommends processed foods which if I'm not mistaken is prepacked.
Another one of my cousins has just been diagnosed with type II, she was told to "make lifestyle changes", before they even asked about her lifestyle.
This would suggest something much more complicated. My poor old GP didn't have a clue why I could consume as little as about 1000 cals a day and exercise 5 days a week and not loose weight. The endocrinologist I saw suggested a gastric band which I might have considered at the time except for the fact in my town patients were told they had to eat 1200 calories a day. May I suggest you look into Nutritional Therapy, it's not for everyone, but they know more than your average GP. With my NT I'm now looking into why my muscles seemed to be starved of the energy they require in the form of ATP. I don't pretend to fully understand, but losing weight isn't just about eating less and exercising more.yes this is exactly my point
i was thin and eating boiled veggies and fish or chicken and i exercised daily and yet i am obese and diabetic and i did everything rright
That's the thing though isn't it? Refined carbs are bad for everyone, not just diabetics. People who think they are looking after themselves by eating them are in fact harming their bodies. Conversely people are staying away from fats like butter and animal fats when these are healthy. So what is needed is education This won't happen because there is a lot of money to be made in processing carbs and selling them to us and also a lot more money to be made when these foods make us ill and we 'need' drugs to stay alive. We don't need carbs and we don't need the drugs that help us to keep eating carbs. But what would big business say about a message like that?
It is so easy to put right, but sadly it won't happen. So it's up to individuals to find out for themselves.
the problem with processedfood is that they put ingredients in that you would never eat which are not artificial or preservatives. so if they put in wallpaper paste into low fat yoghurt to thicken it they can get away with advertising it as healthy and natural. no one knows if eating so much wallpaper paste causes health problems
Well I was skinny all my life, I put weight on for a short while after my accident, then it just dropped off and thought I had diabetes. No one took me seriously, despite my gran having Type 1.
I ate properly cutting out wheat etc for years.
By then I had neuropathy in my feet, so I think it was there from my accident.
Then a few years ago, I got told off and that I should add back wheat products.
I put on weight over the last three years, about a 1lb a month, now unable to exercise and in a wheelchair.
Then someone decided to look for diabetes.
So I think
Well I was skinny all my life, I put weight on for a short while after my accident, then it just dropped off and thought I had diabetes. No one took me seriously, despite my gran having Type 1.
I ate properly cutting out wheat etc for years.
By then I had neuropathy in my feet, so I think it was there from my accident.
Then a few years ago, I got told off and that I should add back wheat products.
I put on weight over the last three years, about a 1lb a month, now unable to exercise and in a wheelchair.
Then someone decided to look for diabetes.
So I think the diabetes is there in the genes and people fight against it unknowingly for years, trying to stay slim.
Then either an accident, depression, inability to continue the fight to stay slim, disablement, having babies, getting older, etc etc take people over the precipice and they develop diabetes.
It's no one's fault.
As soon as Dr's open their blinkered eyes and research is done with an open mind, it'll be solved.
But we could be waiting an awful long time for that one
the diabetes is there in the genes and people fight against it unknowingly for years, trying to stay slim.
Then either an accid
ent, depression, inability to continue the fight to stay slim, disablement, having babies, getting older, etc etc take people over the precipice and they develop diabetes.
It's no one's fault.
As soon as Dr's open their blinkered eyes and research is done with an open mind, it'll be solved.
But we could be waiting an awful long time for that one
Well I was skinny all my life, I put weight on for a short while after my accident, then it just dropped off and thought I had diabetes. No one took me seriously, despite my gran having Type 1.
I ate properly cutting out wheat etc for years.
By then I had neuropathy in my feet, so I think it was there from my accident.
Then a few years ago, I got told off and that I should add back wheat products.
I put on weight over the last three years, about a 1lb a month, now unable to exercise and in a wheelchair.
Then someone decided to look for diabetes.
So I think the diabetes is there in the genes and people fight against it unknowingly for years, trying to stay slim.
Then either an accident, depression, inability to continue the fight to stay slim, disablement, having babies, getting older, etc etc take people over the precipice and they develop diabetes.
It's no one's fault.
As soon as Dr's open their blinkered eyes and research is done with an open mind, it'll be solved.
But we could be waiting an awful long time for that one
This would suggest something much more complicated. My poor old GP didn't have a clue why I could consume as little as about 1000 cals a day and exercise 5 days a week and not loose weight. The endocrinologist I saw suggested a gastric band which I might have considered at the time except for the fact in my town patients were told they had to eat 1200 calories a day. May I suggest you look into Nutritional Therapy, it's not for everyone, but they know more than your average GP. With my NT I'm now looking into why my muscles seemed to be starved of the energy they require in the form of ATP. I don't pretend to fully understand, but losing weight isn't just about eating less and exercising more.
I've just had a quick Google, "NHS Advice for type II", the first URL advises a "healthy , balanced diet", if you click on that, it's all about losing weight and amongst other things it recommends processed foods which if I'm not mistaken is prepacked.
Another one of my cousins has just been diagnosed with type II, she was told to "make lifestyle changes", before they even asked about her lifestyle.
I find it really sad to read of fellow type 2s who criticise themselves for being fat couch potatoes and 'causing' their condition.
Especially when they promote that idea on a forum like this.
Even if a person lives a couch potato lifestyle, it is not inevitable that they become type 2.
There are many more obese people who don't have diabetics than who do.
So even if being fat is a contributing factor, it is not the cause.
Add in the fact that type 1s put on weight when using excess insulin
Plus that insulin excess is a classic feature of type 2 (even slim type 2s)
Plus that insulin excess/resistance can predate developing diabetes by decades
How can people claim it was a couch potato lifestyle that caused type 2, when insulin excess/resistance causes all the factors (lethargy, 'greed', lack of energy) that result in a couch potato lifestyle?
It's absurd. Faulty logic. And I really object to it being promoted on this forum.
I'm fine about people saying 'I ate too much, put on weight, and have type 2'
I hate the way people say 'I was a lazy slob, put on weight, and have type 2'
Unless you can go back in time and do a test for insulin resistance and glucose tolerance at the point you turned into a couch potato, then you are denigrating yourself, promoting ignorance, and supporting the same bigotry that appears in the media.
As you can see, I feel strongly about this.
I have spent my entire adult life aware of judgemental glances and criticism. In all that time, the first person who ever validated my body shape was a consultant, who said that, with my contributing factors, she was surprised I wasn't bigger.
The rest of the world may kick us, but we don't have to join in.
This would suggest something much more complicated. My poor old GP didn't have a clue why I could consume as little as about 1000 cals a day and exercise 5 days a week and not loose weight. The endocrinologist I saw suggested a gastric band which I might have considered at the time except for the fact in my town patients were told they had to eat 1200 calories a day. May I suggest you look into Nutritional Therapy, it's not for everyone, but they know more than your average GP. With my NT I'm now looking into why my muscles seemed to be starved of the energy they require in the form of ATP. I don't pretend to fully understand, but losing weight isn't just about eating less and exercising more.
IshYou are taking metformin. That is your answer. It changes the ratio of AMP to ATP to up to 4:1 instead of the normal 1:1 That is why your liver "stores" more glycogen Unfortunately that impacts the rate at which your muscles can process lactic acid and process glycogen
numerous news items about research show that faulty genes are the cause of both obesity and diabetes two
it is time to stop blaming the poor sick person
Beyond that, it's academic now, and won't alter what has happened, and whichever came first doesn't really worry me, I can't go back and change it, I can only work it from now on.
For all type 2s watch this link. It's a breathe of fresh air. If only all doctors thought this way!
http://blog.thediabetessite.com/what-if-obesity-was-the-consequence-of-diabetes/?utm_source=social &utm_medium=dbsaware&utm_campaign=what-if-obesity-was-the-consequence-of-diabetes&utm_term=20141109#x4QcQhcFyc9LVsMT.01
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