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stop diabetes two stigma and find a cure instead of blaming us for being sick

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by aimee11, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. douglas99

    douglas99 I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Actually, mentioning media...

    I've realised I'm wearing my 'Holiday's are coming.......' Coca cola t shirt, bought from Tesco's.

    The iconic fizzy drink, that seems to epitomise all that's bad with the carb and sugar glut.

    But I bought it as it also epitomised the drink I grew up with in the iconic bottle, that dates back to the good old days, well before the diabetes epidemic, it's been sold since 1886, and in the iconic bottle from 1915.
    So how can the sugar in coke have any effect?





    Interestingly, they changed from corn syrup, to fructrose in 1985.
     
  2. donnellysdogs

    donnellysdogs Type 1 · Master

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    I used to drink gallons of coke from glass bottles til 1979...I just used to guzzle it.. It was pretty much the only sweet thing I had...my brothers never drank it. I ended up T1, they didn't.
     
  3. donnellysdogs

    donnellysdogs Type 1 · Master

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    Incidentally.. So much hype around though that coke infredients can melt a road. I found a huge key when digging in customers garden. Brought it home to try and clean it up.. 1st thought was coke... Has it dissolved anything?-no....seems like it canonly slowly dissolve pancreas' to me!!
     
  4. douglas99

    douglas99 I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Salmonella, Mycotoxins, with the added irony the less commercial the producer, the more likely the risk of simple handling or contamination errors, such as not cleaning tools, air born, or animal contamination,

    But the commercial ones process, treat, clean, kill, everything else in it along with all the good stuff.

    I'm a great believer in simply eating things, if they are off, I'll find out.
     
  5. catherinecherub

    catherinecherub · Guest

    I don't think that comparing the lifestyle of AIDS sufferers is really helping. AIDS is not down to a single cause. Health workers, children and sometimes people who have blood transfusions get AIDS.
    http://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/how-you-get-hiv-aids/

    There has always been a stigma attached to HIV and AIDS and the only way to remove it is to educate people, much the same as what is needed for the explanation of how Type 2 occurs.
    Genes, environment and obesity are risks and not causes. If obesity was a cause then all overweight people would have it. If genes was the cause then whole generations of all family members would have it. If it was the environment then everybody would have it.

    The fact that all Type2s who post here are well aware of the stigma means that we have to accept the ignorance that exists and get cracking with managing it and look forward because no amount of soul searching is going to make any difference.
    Don't involve yourself in the blame game.
    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/dont-involve-yourself-in-the-blame-game.21894/

    To anyone who is feeling angry about their diagnosis, please read this article. It explains the emotions you will go through.

    http://www.diabetesexplained.com/the-five-stages-of-grief.html
     
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  6. this is too difficult two

    this is too difficult two Don't have diabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Is your house made of gingerbread?
     
  7. aimee11

    aimee11 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    and the other 4 out of 5 are probably never tested because their doctor does not believe they can have diabetes because they are slim

    so it is in fact dangerous for the slim diabetics as they may go undiagnosed for life because of doctors prejudice and belief that it is a lifestyle disease and seeing as they are slim they cannot have diabetes
     
  8. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    Having grown up in poverty in the 50s and 60s. Everything was a treat even eating something basic as fresh meat which we had twice a week.
    Sweets and certainly any type of fizzy drink was a luxury.
    My diet changed into my twenties, a lot of alcohol, high carbs, lots of bad things that I'd never had!
    My kids ate as fussily as us. We didn't eat meat from the butchers. Veg once as a Sunday roast. Because of working and an easy solution, quick and easy meals. We weren't aware of the dangers.
    I now believe that for obesity and T2, the emphasis should be on education in secondary schools were domestic science should be on the curriculum.
    Also more college places for education and management of diet controlled conditions. Hospitals and clinics as well as surgeries can only offer advice and drugs.
    The emphasis on finding actual answers that work for carb intolerance instead of just trying to slow the condition down. To actually help the endocrine system get rid of the visceral fats that inhibit our organs instead of surgeries and management.
    To force the food industry away from the harmful sugars and stop using and promoting an unhealthy diet!
    There is alternatives. There is the direct correlation between low carbing and lower blood glucose levels, low blood pressure, lower cholestrol, having more energy, a lower risk to your heart and other organs, a less fatty liver, less visceral fat, weight loss, improved vision, better sleeping and a better life altogether.hope I ain't missed nowt!
    The coke industry is in a slump. Already they are diversifying into 'more healthier drinks' but they still haven't got it! Sports drinks and energy drinks should be banned, packed lunches have stopped in primary schools because of free school dinners, it should come with dietary
    lessons as well!
    The tide is slowly turning. Every day there are more of the horror stories concerning obesity. Hopefully the powers that be can change the recommendations and not leave us diabetics to just cope as good as we are able.
    Logic dictates that this will happen, but we are not logical creatures!
     
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  9. aimee11

    aimee11 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    yes so true

    many AIDS sufferers never did any of the lifestyle behaviours that would give them this horrible virus

    I was simply pointing out that likewise just as the innocent hemophiliacs and babies who get AIDS through no fault of their own, diabetes 2 sufferers also do not contribute to getting their disease and now that research is being done more and more genetic factors are being recognised.

    let us stop the stigma and force doctors to test so called unlikely patients for diabetes [thin] so that they may get treatment options before they get the complications. in some ways being obese is a life saver because at least the doctors rush to test you for diabetes so you have a good chance of better management and fewer complications
     
  10. aimee11

    aimee11 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    yes you are correct but is it the so called treats that are the harm or the wallpaper paste and other ingredients in foods these days that you would never think of adding to food yourself?

    ingredients dont have to be artificial or preservatives. we are not paying enough attention to the so called non artificial non preservatives ingredients that the companies put in and dont tell you about

    who here would go out and get wallpaper paste and eat it?????????????

    and yet that is what they put in to foods to thicken them, especially when it is a low fat food.

    this is why us diabetics go to the basics that do not involve any ready made foods. maybe by avoiding wallpaper pastes and other ingredients you would never ever put in food yourself this in turn makes you healthier all round?
     
  11. douglas99

    douglas99 I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Wall paper paste?

    No doubt you mean starch, possibly a modified/updated version of the good old flour and water paste?

    to be honest, I've been making good old bisto from corn flour since my granny showed no how to.
     
  12. aimee11

    aimee11 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    http://www.wired.com/2007/10/whats-inside-tr/

    quoting from above

    Cellulose Gum: Also known by the less tasty name carboxymethylcellulose, you could add a little sodium and use it to bind your own books. Or mix it with wheat paste to wallpaper your great-aunt’s house. As the name suggests, with a little effort you could turn it into cellulosic ethanol and use it to power your car through the traffic-packed streets of LA to a Pinkberry.

    end of quote

    I dont know if it is bad for you to eat as much of this as we do

    but i would never consider it as something I would add to food
     
  13. tim2000s

    tim2000s Type 1 · Expert
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    The overwhelming impression I get from reading this thread is that a lot of people eat really poorly, and by that I mean packaged and processed food. If you cook everything from basic ingredients, it's a lot easier to know what exactly goes into your food and therefore diet, but very few people seem to do this.
     
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  14. douglas99

    douglas99 I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It depends really, a lot of it is used in gluten free food, so again, some people don't have a choice.
    But it's derived from a natural cellulose, such as wood fibre, so the fact it's also used in some industrial applications is neither here or there really.
    As you mention ethanol, (which I drink, usually as red wine), I guess I also drink wall paper paste?
    (Apart from the ethanol link, it is also added to some wines as a preservative)

    I can also think of a lot of natural products with both food and industrial uses.
    I use linseed oil to lubricate my chainsaw blade, so, as I also eat linseeds, I would have to say I drink chainsaw oil.
    I use salt added to sand to melt the ice on my drive, so I also eat grit I guess.
     
  15. aimee11

    aimee11 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely true
    So I do not know if these ingredients are problematic or not at the rate and in the form we consume them and I guess research is not being done
     
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    forty six Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I am always very dubious when it says natural on ingredients lists, after all cat urine is natural but I am sure you wouldn't want it in your food!
     
  17. douglas99

    douglas99 I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Cochineal food colouring has always been one that brought a smile to my face, when I've read it in natural ingredients.
    Then again, I eat snails.
     
  18. forty six

    forty six Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    This was featured on a BBC health programme recently and is in Weight Watchers chocolate éclairs in 3 different forms, haven't bought WW products since!
     
  19. phoenix

    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    Well if I were going to eat a chocolate éclair, I would only do it occasionally and would probably buya good chocolate éclair from one of the local pattiseries .I live in France and have some excellent local ones to choose from. (small eclairs aren't actually that high in carbs/calories but it's obviously relative.
    Wall paper paste, not too keen on eating it but we used to use wallpaper paste (without a fungicide) for craft work with young children . They might well stick their fingers in their mouths or even eat it but it was known to be non toxic.
    E466 is the number to look for on labels for Carboxymethyl cellulose. You can check what all the others are on this site too.
    http://www.food-info.net/uk/e/e466.htm
    If you want to look up safety reports then you can do that on the EU website http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/out02_en.html
     
  20. douglas99

    douglas99 I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The problem is, it's more likely to be in the cream, so even if they bake daily, unless they buy in the cream daily, then whip it, there's still a good chance that's the one bit they'll buy in.
     
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