Stressed and worried

[Gargoyletaz]

Just checking - can blood glucose still be raised at midday from dawn phenomenon?

Fab question @KetoAnnie

I was going to do some research on this, but it seems from the responses, your BG can keep rising until you eat something and stop the fast.

I'll have a handful of nuts now and see if my pre lunch level is better.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Outlier]

Late to the party but my BG carries on rising until lunchtime, sometimes later, unless I have something. A very small piece of cheese or a couple of spoonfuls of Greek yoghurt stops it. After that I stay in non-diabetic levels for the rest of the day. Interesting, isn't it?

 

[aylalake]

To add to this: will the tiny amount of food to stop the rise also stop a fast, intermittent or otherwise?

 

[KennyA]

What kind of thing does it stop with? Is fat sufficient or do you find you need protein?

For me, it will stop with three almonds.

My system also seems to think cream in coffee is a DP-stopper, although I've not tested for this properly (and can't be bothered, honestly).

 

[Lainie71]

What kind of thing does it stop with? Is fat sufficient or do you find you need protein?

If I have too much protein I get high readings and if I have too much fat and obviously if I don't work out I clap weight on. I find if I eat a few walnuts its stops it but I will be hungry an hour later so need the protein. I cannot win as I don't always want to have meat and dairy gives me headaches and sinus problems. If anyone can throw light on this and what I can do please tell me as at times I feel like just eating chips and to hell with it

 

[Gargoyletaz]

Fab question @KetoAnnie

I was going to do some research on this, but it seems from the responses, your BG can keep rising until you eat something and stop the fast.

I'll have a handful of nuts now and see if my pre lunch level is better.

Thanks everyone!

Just to add to the above, I had 2 small handfuls of salted peanuts after I posted and my pre lunch level was 7.4.

I will experiment tomorrow having a boiled egg to break the fast instead of nuts and let you know what my pre lunch levels are tomorrow.

 

[aylalake]

Just to add to the above, I had 2 small handfuls of salted peanuts after I posted and my pre lunch level was 7.4.

I will experiment tomorrow having a boiled egg to break the fast instead of nuts and let you know what my pre lunch levels are tomorrow.

This thread took an unexpected turn from your original post, and a turn that has proved very interesting and helpful for a number of people.
I am guessing from your last response (quoted here) that you are no longer as stressed and worried, but instead optimistic and curious. I look forward to the result of your experiment.

 

[Gargoyletaz]

This thread took an unexpected turn from your original post, and a turn that has proved very interesting and helpful for a number of people.
I am guessing from your last response (quoted here) that you are no longer as stressed and worried, but instead optimistic and curious. I look forward to the result of your experiment.

Yes @aylalake I am now very curious how one item of food can affect someone so differently to another!

I ran out of eggs so I had 2 slices of ham at 8am and my pre lunch reading was 7.6.

Tomorrow's experiment will be chicken to ascertain if protein will bring my pre lunch reading down.

Sadly, my mum passed away on Tuesday....11 months to the day after my dad passed away.

I'm not intending to fall off the carb wagon this time, but I'm determined to have a great list of foods that don't spike my levels

 

[aylalake]

Sadly, my mum passed away on Tuesday....11 months to the day after my dad passed away.

I am sorry to hear about your loss. Know that you have a huge community here to offer you support at this time and in the future. j

 

[Gargoyletaz]

I am sorry to hear about your loss. Know that you have a huge community here to offer you support at this time and in the future. j

I'm ever so grateful for everyone's advice and help so far.

I consider myself on a journey now rather than a holiday from carbs every now and then when my 1C gets too high.

Doing these experiments also keeps me motivated as the results are interesting

 

[Gargoyletaz]

This morning I had 1 chicken drumstick at 8:45am amd my pre lunch reading was 7.2.

I will try a hard boiled egg next week and see if that brings my pre lunch reading below 7.

Have a lovely weekend people

 

[Lainie71]

This morning I had 1 chicken drumstick at 8:45am amd my pre lunch reading was 7.2.

I will try a hard boiled egg next week and see if that brings my pre lunch reading below 7.

Have a lovely weekend people

I used to have half an apple with peanut butter before bed and that would stop the increase. Also if I had lettuce before bed my bg would be about 6 in the morning, weird

 

[Gargoyletaz]

I used to have half an apple with peanut butter before bed and that would stop the increase. Also if I had lettuce before bed my bg would be about 6 in the morning, weird

Ooooo now that's a whole new spin!

I think a 'before bed' experiment calls

Thank you

 

[Gargoyletaz]

Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been a while. Christmas time was just such a whirlwind!

Update:

I decided to get the Libre 2 free trial so I could experiment without testing loads of times a day.

I have had the sensor on for 7 days now, and it's been reassuring but, addictive to watch!

I totally cut out potatoes, bread, pasta, oat milk and rice and everything high in carbs.

My experiments so far has seen that parsnips, rice, port, gingerbread, peas and skinny fries all increase my BG by 4 mmol or more after 2 hours.

Today's experiment did not go well

My waking BG has been anywhere between 7.7 mmol and 10.7 mmol.

I decided to have breakfast for change today, so my waking reading was 9.5 mmol at 7:34am.

I had a plain teacake, no butter or jam this morning at 9:23am with a scanned reading of 9.4 mmol.

My app alarmed at 10:26am with a reading of 13.5 mmol and a finger prick test showed 15.8 mmol.

At 11:17am I scanned at 13.7 mmol and a finger prick test showed 17.0 mmol

I scanned at 9.2 mmol at 12:45 before my lunch.

My appointment with a Diabetic Nurse isn't until Wednesday, but my questions are:

1. Is today's experiment consistent with a T2 needing medication?

2. Does this show my body cannot tolerate even a small amount of carbs?

3. Should I ask for a c-peptide test to see if I am producing any insulin?

I'm trying to be realistic in not only changing what I eat, but also that it is sustainable. In doing so I've had to admit that my body may need medication in order for me to keep my levels from going hyper.

To be honest, I have no idea what setting range I should have on the libre. It automatically sets at 3.9 mmol - 10 mmol as a 'green' target range but, after reading a lot of forums on here, I've changed the higher level to 8.5 mmol and my time in range is not good.

I've attached my time in range screenshot.

Any thoughts or advice very gratefully received

 

[Gargoyletaz]

Just to add, my post meal reading now is 7.4 mmol so 1.8 mmol under my pre meal reading

 

[ianf0ster]

1. No that doesn't seem a high enough spike to mean that you necessarily need medication.

2. Did you check how many carbs were in the teacake? I find that I need to eat less than 50gms of carbs per day in order to stay in normal levels, others manage much more than me, but some need to have even less than me i.e. Keto (less than 20gms per day). T2's vary considerably.

3. If your BG ever goes down, even if it takes a long time, without taking insulin, then you are still producing insulin.

As a T2, I'm not an expert on T1, but I haven't seen anything that suggests that you need to be tested for T1.

I thought you said you cut out everything high in carbs. But then you go and eat a teacake - all normal baked goods are high in carbs! So you should have expected a nice big BG spike.
If you'd had butter on the teacake then it's likely that the fat would have slowed down the digestion of the carbs and so given your insulin a better chance of keeping your BG spike lower.
Almost all breakfast cereals, breads, biscuits, cakes, pie crusts etc are high in carbs, as are tropical fruits and all fruit juice.

 

[Gargoyletaz]

1. No that doesn't seem a high enough spike to mean that you necessarily need medication.

2. Did you check how many carbs were in the teacake? I find that I need to eat less than 50gms of carbs per day in order to stay in normal levels, others manage much more than me, but some need to have even less than me i.e. Keto (less than 20gms per day). T2's vary considerably.

3. If your BG ever goes down, even if it takes a long time, without taking insulin, then you are still producing insulin.

As a T2, I'm not an expert on T1, but I haven't seen anything that suggests that you need to be tested for T1.

I thought you said you cut out everything high in carbs. But then you go and eat a teacake - all normal baked goods are high in carbs! So you should have expected a nice big BG spike.
If you'd had butter on the teacake then it's likely that the fat would have slowed down the digestion of the carbs and so given your insulin a better chance of keeping your BG spike lower.
Almost all breakfast cereals, breads, biscuits, cakes, pie crusts etc are high in carbs, as are tropical fruits and all fruit juice.

Thank you for your reply @ianf0ster

I mentioned I was experimenting while I have the libre, so although I have cut out all notable carbs, I was experimenting having a teacake for breakfast.

I was expecting a spike due to the carbs but definitely not to the extent of a 17mmol reading!

I've never had such a huge spike since I've been testing. I only spiked to 10.7 mmol after having a meal & vegan cheesecake

It's all a learning curve but, one I need to take, to cross off what I can and can't have.

Ideally, I would have liked to be able to have something to grab if I'm out and about like a teacake or sandwich however if I can't, I can't

I'll continue with my experiments to see what spikes my BG and update you all with how things are going

 

[MrsA2]

Thank you for your reply @ianf0ster

I mentioned I was experimenting while I have the libre, so although I have cut out all notable carbs, I was experimenting having a teacake for breakfast.

I was expecting a spike due to the carbs but definitely not to the extent of a 17mmol reading!

I've never had such a huge spike since I've been testing. I only spiked to 10.7 mmol after having a meal & vegan cheesecake

It's all a learning curve but, one I need to take, to cross off what I can and can't have.

Ideally, I would have liked to be able to have something to grab if I'm out and about like a teacake or sandwich however if I can't, I can't

I'll continue with my experiments to see what spikes my BG and update you all with how things are going

I find dried fruit sends me sky high, amd I assume the teacake had some in. I also find wheat flour raises me.
But that's me, you need to continue testing and then go very very low carb to see if that's better.
But don't get disheartened, it's taken your body a long time to get here, and it will take time to resolve too.
As to grab snacks, expect very little from shops/service stations etc. You might be lucky to find packs of cold cooked meats, or hard boiled eggs, or packets of nuts or olives.
Best is to learn to go prepared, so take your own or eat beforehand so you aren't hungry..
Both those things get easier with time and practice.

Bagged snacks can be Cheesies (just dried cheese), pork or chicken crackling.
My lovely son bought me 12 bags of each for Chr, which will keep me going to summer at least

 

[MrsA2]

Sorry forum went funny on me

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Some crackling are available in some supermarkets

 

[Jackieisnotafraid.]

Hi,

I've been pre-diabetic nearly all of my adult life (I am 52), floating between 43 and 47 mmol.
My mother is type 2 insulin dependent and my dad was, like myself, pre-diabetic.

My dad passed away in Jan and I fell off the carb wagon.

My last blood glucose was done in December 2022 and was 47 mmol. My readings for 15 Nov 2023 was 55 mmol and 1 Dec 2023 was 57 mmol.

I know this is due to my carb intake going from very low to comfort food overload.

My question is, previously I was able to go 3 months and get retested but this time I've been booked an appointment with a diabetic nurse before I've even seen a doctor.
I don't want to go on to medication, but do I have a choice based on my results?

I was hoping to get a blood glucose monitor and have the 3 months making a food diary of any spikes.

Thank you

Sweet Lady, I am so sorry for your greif.
There some things in life that we simply don't mess with because they are unyielding and very mean. My suggestion may seen callous at first blush, but is very important that you confront this straight on, and take control of your life to make it a long life filled with health. The meds are the least of your worries- it is the damage to your body that you may be able to stop in it's tracks. So first item of business is to go to a hemo dialysis unit and see the amputed limbs and non- functioning kidneys. You don't want this and think if it as strong incentive to chart your healthy course. Next, find a really cool and perhaps even trendy activity to do. Maybe tango lessons? (Very cool!) Or purhaps trainig running with bow targets along a long trail? Maybe a rowing shell? What you find you absolutly love to do is the right thing provided you can work to an hour a day or more if you really like it. Heck even virtual reality games- those look really fun. Then, something really cool starts to happen: you get slim and hot! Buy new clothes. Have fun! You are young!. Concurrently, learn to cook with herbs and veggies lean meats and complex carbs. Love the bounty of fruits.
Then, you will have traded in your concerns of today for a much more predictable, healthy future. This what I did and it was an incredible journey of self growth. I even got married!