Sugars, Cholesterol, Gout. What can I eat?

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Hello out there,

I have recently been confirmed pre-diabetic, my grandfather and father also had/have the full condition.

I need to lose some weight, I am currently 17 stone and 6 foot and would like to lose 2 to 3 stone. In searching for a 'balanced' diet that doesn't have an adverse affect to blood sugars, cholesterol or gout ( other things that I have to do consider) I am finding that foods good for one are definitely no good for one or both of the others so I am going around in ever decreasing circles. Any suggestions from people who have successfully navigated their way through this maze would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Steve
 

bulkbiker

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Well..I found that for weight loss a low carbohydrate diet was great and a ketogenic diet even better along.. with some intermittent fasting. I don't have gout so can't really help there and as for cholesterol we all need it or we die. Our body produces it and cholesterol in the diet doesn't lead to higher levels in the body so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Are you measuring your blood sugar levels? If not I would suggest you start an then you can try some experimentation to see which foods cause your blood sugars to rise the most (then you can avoid them). these usually include root veg, anything with grains , rice and of course sugar. Try removing those from your diet and see what happens.
I'll also tag @daisy1 for the intro to Low Carb as well as recommend you take a look at thewww.dietdoctor.com website to get some more info.
 

daisy1

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@SugerStayOrSugerGoNow

Hello Steve and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, in particular the link to the Low Carb Program. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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I get intermittant gout in my big toe joint ( luckily only 1-2 short flares a year as long as Im careful and resort to a couple of Diclofenac in extremis!)
Both fasting and lchf are known to increase flares of gout in some of those who already have gout and to cause gout in some that haven't previously suffered Both fasting and lchf with much meat or dairy cause big flares for me after a couple of days
http://www.arthritis.org/living-wit...urces/expert-q-a/gout-questions/gout-fast.php
https://goutandyou.com/gout-and-the-atkins-diet/
 
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Resurgam

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I often eat a frozen mixture of berries and cherries - once defrosted, though. Apparently the cherries help with removing the crystals which cause gout.
A low carb diet should help with the diabetes, and probably the cholesterol as well, though I am not at all convinced that it is the problem it is made out to be.
 

librarising

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In searching for a 'balanced' diet that doesn't have an adverse affect to ... gout ( other things that I have to do consider) I am finding that foods good for one are definitely no good for one or both of the others so I am going around in ever decreasing circles. Any suggestions from people who have successfully navigated their way through this maze would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Steve, as a former gout sufferer with attacks that worsened every time, I soon became aware that medical advice warned about cetain trigger foods.Food (and the occasional beer) restriction wasn't for me. Also I rarely want to go down any medicine route. After much research on google I stumbled upon this site
https://sites.google.com/site/icuredmygout/
where the author states
"I unknowingly ate excessive amounts of acid forming foods that lowered my pH and created a fertile breeding ground for more gout attacks. With baking soda I was able to raise my pH, eliminate the cause of the gout, and cure it. "

At the time I was drinking lots of fruit juice which (I now know) is no good for anyone and was raising my acidity. Despite that I learned to use baking soda to lower my acidity and take away the gout. My attacks simply stopped happening. I take a preventive dose before bed every night. It has an added benefit of lowering the acidity of my bladder, which I read leads to diabetics needing to go to toilet during the night. So an undisturbed sleep too. Win-win.
Good luck with your gout.I'm now about ten years free :woot:
Geoff
 
Messages
9
Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
I do not have diabetes
Well..I found that for weight loss a low carbohydrate diet was great and a ketogenic diet even better along.. with some intermittent fasting. I don't have gout so can't really help there and as for cholesterol we all need it or we die. Our body produces it and cholesterol in the diet doesn't lead to higher levels in the body so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Are you measuring your blood sugar levels? If not I would suggest you start an then you can try some experimentation to see which foods cause your blood sugars to rise the most (then you can avoid them). these usually include root veg, anything with grains , rice and of course sugar. Try removing those from your diet and see what happens.
I'll also tag @daisy1 for the intro to Low Carb as well as recommend you take a look at thewww.dietdoctor.com website to get some more info.

Thanks for the reply. I’m not sure my thank you registered originally.

Steve
 
Messages
9
Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
I do not have diabetes
Hi Steve, as a former gout sufferer with attacks that worsened every time, I soon became aware that medical advice warned about cetain trigger foods.Food (and the occasional beer) restriction wasn't for me. Also I rarely want to go down any medicine route. After much research on google I stumbled upon this site
https://sites.google.com/site/icuredmygout/
where the author states
"I unknowingly ate excessive amounts of acid forming foods that lowered my pH and created a fertile breeding ground for more gout attacks. With baking soda I was able to raise my pH, eliminate the cause of the gout, and cure it. "

At the time I was drinking lots of fruit juice which (I now know) is no good for anyone and was raising my acidity. Despite that I learned to use baking soda to lower my acidity and take away the gout. My attacks simply stopped happening. I take a preventive dose before bed every night. It has an added benefit of lowering the acidity of my bladder, which I read leads to diabetics needing to go to toilet during the night. So an undisturbed sleep too. Win-win.
Good luck with your gout.I'm now about ten years free :woot:
Geoff

Thank you Geoff. I’ve never used a forum before, hadn’t seen some of the replies till now and am unsure as the who I’ve thanked. So....thank you
 
Messages
9
Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
I do not have diabetes
I get intermittant gout in my big toe joint ( luckily only 1-2 short flares a year as long as Im careful and resort to a couple of Diclofenac in extremis!)
Both fasting and lchf are known to increase flares of gout in some of those who already have gout and to cause gout in some that haven't previously suffered Both fasting and lchf with much meat or dairy cause big flares for me after a couple of days
http://www.arthritis.org/living-wit...urces/expert-q-a/gout-questions/gout-fast.php
https://goutandyou.com/gout-and-the-atkins-diet/

Thank you. I’m not used to forums so hadn’t seen the replies. Encouraging
 

Kristin251

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Hi Steve, as a former gout sufferer with attacks that worsened every time, I soon became aware that medical advice warned about cetain trigger foods.Food (and the occasional beer) restriction wasn't for me. Also I rarely want to go down any medicine route. After much research on google I stumbled upon this site
https://sites.google.com/site/icuredmygout/
where the author states
"I unknowingly ate excessive amounts of acid forming foods that lowered my pH and created a fertile breeding ground for more gout attacks. With baking soda I was able to raise my pH, eliminate the cause of the gout, and cure it. "

At the time I was drinking lots of fruit juice which (I now know) is no good for anyone and was raising my acidity. Despite that I learned to use baking soda to lower my acidity and take away the gout. My attacks simply stopped happening. I take a preventive dose before bed every night. It has an added benefit of lowering the acidity of my bladder, which I read leads to diabetics needing to go to toilet during the night. So an undisturbed sleep too. Win-win.
Good luck with your gout.I'm now about ten years free :woot:
Geoff
Hmmm...I don’t have gout but I get leg/ foot cramps. I also know I’m low acid from baking soda burp tests. Wonder if a bit of baking soda before bed would help?
 

librarising

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Hmmm...I don’t have gout but I get leg/ foot cramps. I also know I’m low acid from baking soda burp tests. Wonder if a bit of baking soda before bed would help?
Have you tried magnesium ? Baking soda is for treating acidic inflammation.
Both @Rachox and myself (plus possibly others) use a spray, as this is supposed to be better absorbed, transdermally rather than through the stomach lining.
Geoff
 

paulus1

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get yourself on allopurinol and some colchicine im a chronic gout suffer i had it constantly in toes feet and ankles. im now pain free and my uric acid is back to normal. it was 3x normal. lchf helps oddly you would think more meat would make it worse but no. it will control your you bg and for some even lower your bad cholesterol.
 

Kristin251

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Have you tried magnesium ? Baking soda is for treating acidic inflammation.
Both @Rachox and myself (plus possibly others) use a spray, as this is supposed to be better absorbed, transdermally rather than through the stomach lining.
Geoff
Yes. Strangely ( but not for me, I always get the opposite of what it’s supposed to do) it GIVES me cramps and insomnia. Both of which it’s supposed to help! I get the, when I eat pumpkin seeds which are very high in mag.