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Guzzler said:
The thing is that many, many people can be insulin resistant for years (sometimes over a decade before symptoms or an MOT (for those like me who have no symptoms) throw up a problem. Add to this the fact that there are some non Diabetics who have a low measure of IR but who then do not develope Pre D or T2.
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Agreed, that’s why I said partly.

There’s various ways of coming towards a gustimate. Look at Dr Unwins states from when he first became a GP till he produced his paper etc. There are a number of sources of data that can be tied together.
 
Listlad said:
Agreed, that’s why I said partly.

There’s various ways of coming towards a gustimate. Look at Dr Unwins states from when he first became a GP till he produced his paper etc. There are a number of sources of data that can be tied together.
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It would be a guesstimate at best and at what age would you like to see people tested? What for, IR or raised A1c? Because there is a helluva difference. In the US children are being diagnosed with fatty liver and with T2. The youngest I have heard mentioned was just two and a half years old (T2) with two six month old babies proving to have elevated bg levels.
Testing alone is not enough, number crunching is pretty useless unless a multi pronged approach to this epidemic is put into real life practice.
 
Pinkorchid said:
Normal foods like eggs, meat, fish, dairy like yogurt, cream, milk and cheese, vegetables, olives, avocados, olive oil and for those that eat it low carb bread all on the normal food shelves.
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Agree with all those apart from the "low carb bread". So see we do agree that a ketogenic way of eating is best for all. Just need to put "green" in front of the "vegetables".
 
Guzzler said:
It would be a guesstimate at best and at what age would you like to see people tested? What for, IR or raised A1c? Because there is a helluva difference. In the US children are being diagnosed with fatty liver and with T2. The youngest I have heard mentioned was just two and a half years old (T2) with two six month old babies proving to have elevated bg levels.
Testing alone is not enough, number crunching is pretty useless unless a multi pronged approach to this epidemic is put into real life practice.
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I see the points you make and they are of course valid. But that doesn’t stop us from making good estimates. And there are ways of going about it.

Personally, I only have to look at what people are buying today and eating compared with bygone times to know that incidence of Type 2 are going up, both diagnosed and undiagnosed. I will leave it to the universities and government establishments to do the number crunching but it is completely doable.
 
Listlad said:
I see the points you make and they are of course valid. But that doesn’t stop us from making good estimates. And there are ways of going about it.

Personally, I only have to look at what people are buying today and eating compared with bygone times to know that incidence of Type 2 are going up, both diagnosed and undiagnosed. I will leave it to the universities and government establishments to do the number crunching but it is completely doable.
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Governments and universities suffer a lack of money. Too many studies are funded by Big Food and Big Pharma for comfort as attested by the reports by editors of medical journals and experts like John Ionnides, some of these studies which include data mining are no more than junk science.

Time is of the essence.
 
Guzzler said:
Governments and universities suffer a lack of money. Too many studies are funded by Big Food and Big Pharma for comfort as attested by the reports by editors of medical journals and experts like John Ionnides, some of these studies which include data mining are no more than junk science.

Time is of the essence.
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Time is of the essence indeed.

How do you know that such studies are not being conducted right now?
 
Listlad said:
I noticed there was a big section on gluten free products but nothing relating to low carb foods.

I was surprised when they covered the hibernation of fresh fruit using oxygen depletion. I was not aware of that.
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@Listlad in my opinion this is why most apples are hard and tasteless.
 
Listlad said:
AMongst other things the program covered gluten free foods. It stated that the gluten free food sector in supermarkets was much larger than the number of coeliacs. What was conspicuous by its absence within the program was any reference to low carb foods.
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Its a four part series.
 
Robinredbreast said:
I did watch the programme because I'm coeliac, they did however talk about pre bagged salad's and the danger's of salmonella within these bags. It was about the 'hidden' ingredients, processing, some nasty bugs and bacteria.
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@Robinredbreast got my pots of salad planted today, no more bags for me.
 
Jim Lahey said:
I understand that it’s not practical or affordable for all, but I just choose real whole foods. This way I get to pick and choose which ingredients are going into my meals, without relying on someone else to do it for me. Apologies if that sounds evangelical or prescriptive, but whether or not it suits everyone, it’s really the only way to be sure for those who are particular about their food. Personally I wouldn’t even choose anything prepackaged that purported to be low-carb, in the same way I wouldn’t ever buy anything labelled as gluten-free.

But in any case I think we will begin seeing a rise in products labelled as keto or low-carb friendly on supermarket shelves. No potential market will remain untapped by business.
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There are already lower carb breads out there.
 
SlimLizzy said:
not recently, seem to remember them being very expensive. But if you are recommending them, will buy a few to find out.
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I think they are a bit more expensive. I read somewhere that they are shipped in from the USA, not sure if that is true. But I like them. Interesting to see if you do.
 
Listlad said:
Time is of the essence indeed.

How do you know that such studies are not being conducted right now?
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You're missing the point. The time for number crunching is gone. It's time for action. Educate and legislate based on real science and on real life experience. I do not want my children to outlive their children.
 
Guzzler said:
You're missing the point. The time for number crunching is gone. It's time for action. Educate and legislate based on real science and on real life experience. I do not want my children to outlive their children.
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Same here.

It’s not too late. Just like climate change, the world’s population, sustainability of resources etc etc etc. :D

You telling me these guys couldn’t pull something together on this?

https://www2.le.ac.uk/research-degrees/phd/health-sciences/diabetes

Best draw a line under this as it isn’t strictly on thread.
 
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Listlad said:
The first part of the program involved Sian Williams highlighting the sugar content in these “on the hoof” breakfast cereals. What was interesting was that whilst she used sugar cubes to illustrate her point she didn’t convert carbohydrates into sugar equivalents and was only going on added sugar.

One or two of the Dieticians comments were controversial.
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Glad I checked posts before commenting, this is what I was going to say. Them and their free sugars; the young chaps food was just a full carb fest, he can get away with it now, but he deserves to understand what this does so he can make an informed choice.
 
Mbaker said:
Glad I checked posts before commenting, this is what I was going to say. Them and their free sugars; the young chaps food was just a full carb fest, he can get away with it now, but he deserves to understand what this does so he can make an informed choice.
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Yep. A point that seemed to go under the radar. And very valid for low carb onlookers.

I was shocked by that.
 
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