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Testing with the Libre - Changes in the rules for driving

Discussion in 'Type 1 Diabetes' started by KenBachelor, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. evilclive

    evilclive Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    If you're diagnosed T1, you lose your licence and have to reapply. When you get it back it only lasts 1 or 3 years. There are also rather more stringent restrictions on driving lorries and busses. Some T2s might need to apply too, though I suspect that wouldn't apply to you for a fair while. https://www.gov.uk/diabetes-driving has details.

    For diabetics they're mostly concerned about hypos. Losing eyesight (eg by retinopathy) is covered under a different part - the standard visual acuity to drive, which applies to everybody. Again, with the HbA1c levels you mention, this seems unlikely to be a problem for you for a long time.

    Re libre - yes, I think it might be intersting to try one for a couple of weeks in your situation, though probably not worth using full time unless you're really keen and have the cash. Do you have an NFC-enabled phone? If so, you just need to find a sensor from somewhere - as you've found, they won't sell direct to you for a while while they work out their manufacturing capacity. Maybe try Asda or Superdrug pharamcies?
     
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  2. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Thanks Clive, yes I do have an NFC enabled phone. I use it for Applepay so am all set to go.

    You hit the nail on the head there. I aim to try one for a couple of weeks.
     
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    Notorious Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Have to say, I'm a bit worried about this. I have had scenarios where the Libre has read 5 (yes, 5!) mmol above the actual blood glucose level. I don't have hypo unawareness, but I probably wouldn't be able to differentiate between 5.5 and 4.5 just by the way I feel. Obviously the trending information is useful, but I will continue to finger prick for verification before driving whatever the guidance.
     
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  4. Janet.h

    Janet.h Type 2 · Member

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    As a T2, I was recently given an extra set of meds as other medication had sent my Hba1c up. Many of these meds, other than Metformin, can cause hypos so I stood my ground and refused to accept what was offered. The nurse scuttled off to see a dr to find one that didn't cause weight gain, didn't cause hypos and didn't require me to inform the DVLA and my insurance. It's not just insulin that can be a problem. My neighbour had serious hypos when given glicazide, for example.
     
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  5. EllieM

    EllieM Type 1 · Moderator
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    This is what I was thinking. Libre worked perfectly for me for 6 months to a year, then I developed an allergy and the readings became erratic and then useless. Though it works perfectly for many, I'd be very cautious about about assuming it works for all, and I'd recommend that anyone who does use it does additional occasional checks to rule out dodgy sensors and/or altering body chemistry. I'm guessing that Abbott know the statistics on how many people it doesn't work for, but they don't appear to be sharing them with anyone else. Very risky indeed to rely on it for driving....
     
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  6. Jaylee

    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    Certain NFC phones are not compatable with the LIbre. Warnings are put out with the apps (along with a list of compatable devices.) that some NFC hardware may damage or affect the sensor.
    Be advised. ;) The Glimp and I belive the Libre official scanning app advises on an incompatible model,of phone.
     
  7. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    I checked with Abbott. They say that my version of the iPhone is compatible.

    “The FreeStyle LibreLink app is compatible with NFC enabled phones running Android OS 5.0 or higher and with iPhone 7 and higher running OS 11 and higher”
     
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  8. Jaylee

    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    Oddly, I've been driving since 1986/7. Been stopped by the law on numerous occasions. (Mainly "Christmas campaign stuff.or a light out. Maybe a "comercial van" in the early hours to detect potetal theft crime?)
    Including officers in the EU. (Dutch.) never questioned a 3 year restricted licence on why or asked for a meter reading. (Though I can confidently produce from a traditional BG device.)
    All they focus on is drink & recreational drugs. Satisfied I am sent on my way!

    Yes, I have a resposibillty on the prescribed drugs I am dependent on.

    @Listlad , if & maybe you wind up in the ID or glic "club." Panic ye not on this subject of DVLA. There are plenty of Libre threads regarding your pursuit on that topic...
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Okay. Thanks. I was curious as my work colleague has to apply for her license every year as far as I can remember, or something along those lines, however she is Type 1 so I am not certain if that makes a difference. Also she is in one of the Crown Dependencies as opposed to mainland UK. It did stress her out when the time came around to it.
     
  10. Jaylee

    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    The maximum has always been in my experience since passing my driving test, 3 years. I neither have a problem with required vision or hypo unawarness... Never ending In 3rd party assistance in the historical incidence of a low.

    My neighbour also owned a cat (called Whiskey.) who was insulin dependant I got no idea if it had a current driving licence or not. ;)
    Hope this helps focus on your own condition.. :)
     
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  11. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Well it doesn’t surprise me if the driving and diabetes related regulations are different between U.K. mainland and Crown Dependencies. As there are quite a lot of differences aswell as similarities.

    I have only relatively recently moved back to mainland UK so am still re - acclimatising to things here. Hence my interest in such matters, as you will appreciate.

    Thanks for your help.
     
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  12. KenBachelor

    KenBachelor Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I actually did pass out while driving in 1972 and woke up in the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford. It seems I'd blocked a narrow country lane and eventually somebody got out of their car to find out why I didn't move over and allow them to pass. Believe me I'll never do it again.
     
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    ringi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    That could be an issue if they insist on seeing all the data as part of a review for a HGV driver.
     
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    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    @sninge 's occupation is listed as "full time mum."

    As for insulin dependants entitlement to drive HGVs...
     
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    LooperCat Type 1 · Expert

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    Anyone driving bigger vehicles still has to blood test before driving and every two hours, as before. The Libre/CGM acceptance is only for cars and motorbikes.
     
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    Jaylee Type 1 · Moderator
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    Not to worry. :)

    You're not the only one that wasn't upto speed on this fantastic news... ;):D
     
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