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I am about to have a rant !
Some while ago following the work being done by @DaveKeto, I decided that the entire ediface around the need to lower LDL was probably utter nonsense. Indeed in practice that actually becoming a lean mass hyper responder - ie someone with high HDL, low Triglycerides and potentially high LDL -was an indication of health NOT looming disaster and therefore may even be something to strive for as opposed to worrying about.
i.e. I would stop worrying about my LDL levels which clearly bear little relation to anything in the presence of High HDL and low Trig. Whilst it may be true that there are indeed instances where very high LDL is indeed a problem, it was also highly likely that such individuals would display other problem signs not those shown by a lean mass hyper responder on an LCHF diet.
@DaveKeto has been spectacularly failing to find any evidence of any study showing that there is an increase in risk of CVD in people with these characteristics.
Then Virta Health published their paper on the health outcomes of their 2 year study. It identifies many markers all moving in the right direction and as such it exactly mirrors my own results. Only one marker LDL cholesterol is identified as moving in the " wrong " direction - LDL
https://www.virtahealth.com/research
I'm a simple accountant , I look for patterns in my data and I think the human body is pretty good at figuring out what it needs to do. Its also considerably more intelligent than the entire cumulative knowledge of man. So instead of seeing this seemingly adverse result as being a sign that we must stop focusing on this one adverse marker as a tree in a forest of good news, I decided that this probably confirmed my view that we have misidentified the species of tree involved. i.e. that high LDL is a good thing in the presence of high HDL and low Trigs - i.e. thus we should ALSO be recording this increase in LDL in those circumstances as a GOOD thing.
As an accountant there is not an awful lot of point me opining on such matters because why on earth should anyone listen - so instead I kept my counsel - was quietly even more satisfied with my recent results which are starting to show this pattern of increasing LDL in the presence of High HDL and Low Trigs.
In April Harvard - published one of the most clearly ludicrous pieces of research I have EVER SEEN at a conference in the vatican. http://vaticanconference2018.com/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...g-meat-harvard/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
In essence this suggest that if man adopts the diet of a GORILLA by eating 63 portions of vegetables PER DAY then his cholesterol will drop by 35% and this will equate to taking a statin and that this will be a GOOD thing saving 1/3 of people from early death.
I have NEVER SEEN such utter nonsense being spouted in my entire life. Clearly what this report actually shows is that if eating 63 portions of vegetables per day - a feat which a normal man would find almost impossible in terms of gut processing leads to a lowering of LDL cholesterol then obviously if taking a drug achieves the same result, then one SHOULD NOT take that drug.
It may not be general knowledge that Harvard itself was founded on roots of religious puritanism which is the forbear to the modern day 7th Day Adventist movement and vegetarianism
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/10/harvards-religious-past/
Meanwhile the World Health Organisation has weighed with an acceleration of its "plant based agenda" I must admit until recently I would have taken such a statement as something to listen to and indeed I would have assumed the WHO was actually a non biased organisation working as a force for good taking science at face value in its search to promote global health -
then I came across this :
https://www.adventistreview.org/church-news/story3097-who-teams-up-with-adventists-in-a-world-first
i.e. the WHO being funded by vegetarian adventists
and then this
http://www.thesangaiexpress.com/world-health-organisation-affirmed-adventists-diet/
WHO promoting the meat causes disease concept or religious leaders 120 years ago .
and finally of course this :
"16 Sep 2017 - Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as the only source of our beliefs. "
Vegetarianism
I have nothing against vegetables - indeed I love them, and indeed if one wants to eat vegetables in preference to anything else, then that is your own choice and it is of course possible with care to adopt an LCHF diet as either a vegetarian or vegan as Virta health has shown.
I do object violently to religious beliefs being used to subvert health and to issue distorted "pseudo science" which misleads the public.
A report came out from the Japanese today
https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/486374
"Apart from the EAS hypothesis that LDL causes ASCVD, recent pharmacological/biochemical studies, as summarized in this review and elsewhere, have revealed that atherosclerosis is caused by statins taken to lower LDL-C, as well as by warfarin and some types of vegetable fats and oils, in the absence of significantly elevated LDL-C levels. Thus, the promotion of statin treatment by the Statement is rather risky and we do not feel that the conclusions are justified for the prevention of ASCVD."
This statement makes total sense in the light of the above.
So what do I now think I know :
* low LDL is not necessarily a marker for good health - though becoming a vegetarian will potentially make it happen
* statins cause LDL cholesterol to go down
* statins can cause diabetes,
* statins give rise to serious side effects in some people,
* statins can give rise to heart disease
* vegetable oils cause inflammation.
* from Harvard we know that overdosing on vegetables causes cholesterol to go down - which is probably a bad thing.
* from LCHF that eating that many vegetables would send blood sugars sky high - which is definitely a bad thing
* from Harvard and WHO that we have allowed religion not science to guide our food choices of the last 30 years
* from the statistics - our food choices are killing the planet with its mono-culture bias and its people with a high carb, seed oil based diet ever more quickly.
*It is thus utterly logical that getting down LDL-C by means of unnaturally trying to stop the human body do something it wants to do is probably a ridiculous plan and as such we have a trillion dollar statin industry founded on an edifice of sand and driven by religious concepts of vegetarianism.
* It is utterly illogical to promote a diet in man which emphasises vegetables, carbohydrates and seed oils well past man's capacity to absorb them and that is another trillion dollar food industry again founded on an edifice of sand and religion.
* Our medical profession has its roots in puritanism now supported by a pharmaceutical industry benefiting from the poor food choices and epidemiological " science" driven by a desire to " prove" what religion purports to be true.
I am not a religious person, indeed the influence of religion on 20th century Western society had not even crossed my mind until recently.
I can only hope that some common sense will start to come to the for when Swiss Re holds its meeting in June and we will start to at least see some rational articles appear in the British Medical Journal as opposed to the torrent of utter nonsense we have now been subjected to for thirty years.
rant over !
Some while ago following the work being done by @DaveKeto, I decided that the entire ediface around the need to lower LDL was probably utter nonsense. Indeed in practice that actually becoming a lean mass hyper responder - ie someone with high HDL, low Triglycerides and potentially high LDL -was an indication of health NOT looming disaster and therefore may even be something to strive for as opposed to worrying about.
i.e. I would stop worrying about my LDL levels which clearly bear little relation to anything in the presence of High HDL and low Trig. Whilst it may be true that there are indeed instances where very high LDL is indeed a problem, it was also highly likely that such individuals would display other problem signs not those shown by a lean mass hyper responder on an LCHF diet.
@DaveKeto has been spectacularly failing to find any evidence of any study showing that there is an increase in risk of CVD in people with these characteristics.
Then Virta Health published their paper on the health outcomes of their 2 year study. It identifies many markers all moving in the right direction and as such it exactly mirrors my own results. Only one marker LDL cholesterol is identified as moving in the " wrong " direction - LDL
https://www.virtahealth.com/research
I'm a simple accountant , I look for patterns in my data and I think the human body is pretty good at figuring out what it needs to do. Its also considerably more intelligent than the entire cumulative knowledge of man. So instead of seeing this seemingly adverse result as being a sign that we must stop focusing on this one adverse marker as a tree in a forest of good news, I decided that this probably confirmed my view that we have misidentified the species of tree involved. i.e. that high LDL is a good thing in the presence of high HDL and low Trigs - i.e. thus we should ALSO be recording this increase in LDL in those circumstances as a GOOD thing.
As an accountant there is not an awful lot of point me opining on such matters because why on earth should anyone listen - so instead I kept my counsel - was quietly even more satisfied with my recent results which are starting to show this pattern of increasing LDL in the presence of High HDL and Low Trigs.
In April Harvard - published one of the most clearly ludicrous pieces of research I have EVER SEEN at a conference in the vatican. http://vaticanconference2018.com/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...g-meat-harvard/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
In essence this suggest that if man adopts the diet of a GORILLA by eating 63 portions of vegetables PER DAY then his cholesterol will drop by 35% and this will equate to taking a statin and that this will be a GOOD thing saving 1/3 of people from early death.
I have NEVER SEEN such utter nonsense being spouted in my entire life. Clearly what this report actually shows is that if eating 63 portions of vegetables per day - a feat which a normal man would find almost impossible in terms of gut processing leads to a lowering of LDL cholesterol then obviously if taking a drug achieves the same result, then one SHOULD NOT take that drug.
It may not be general knowledge that Harvard itself was founded on roots of religious puritanism which is the forbear to the modern day 7th Day Adventist movement and vegetarianism
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/10/harvards-religious-past/
Meanwhile the World Health Organisation has weighed with an acceleration of its "plant based agenda" I must admit until recently I would have taken such a statement as something to listen to and indeed I would have assumed the WHO was actually a non biased organisation working as a force for good taking science at face value in its search to promote global health -
then I came across this :
https://www.adventistreview.org/church-news/story3097-who-teams-up-with-adventists-in-a-world-first
i.e. the WHO being funded by vegetarian adventists
and then this
http://www.thesangaiexpress.com/world-health-organisation-affirmed-adventists-diet/
WHO promoting the meat causes disease concept or religious leaders 120 years ago .
and finally of course this :
"16 Sep 2017 - Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as the only source of our beliefs. "
Vegetarianism
I have nothing against vegetables - indeed I love them, and indeed if one wants to eat vegetables in preference to anything else, then that is your own choice and it is of course possible with care to adopt an LCHF diet as either a vegetarian or vegan as Virta health has shown.
I do object violently to religious beliefs being used to subvert health and to issue distorted "pseudo science" which misleads the public.
A report came out from the Japanese today
https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/486374
"Apart from the EAS hypothesis that LDL causes ASCVD, recent pharmacological/biochemical studies, as summarized in this review and elsewhere, have revealed that atherosclerosis is caused by statins taken to lower LDL-C, as well as by warfarin and some types of vegetable fats and oils, in the absence of significantly elevated LDL-C levels. Thus, the promotion of statin treatment by the Statement is rather risky and we do not feel that the conclusions are justified for the prevention of ASCVD."
This statement makes total sense in the light of the above.
So what do I now think I know :
* low LDL is not necessarily a marker for good health - though becoming a vegetarian will potentially make it happen
* statins cause LDL cholesterol to go down
* statins can cause diabetes,
* statins give rise to serious side effects in some people,
* statins can give rise to heart disease
* vegetable oils cause inflammation.
* from Harvard we know that overdosing on vegetables causes cholesterol to go down - which is probably a bad thing.
* from LCHF that eating that many vegetables would send blood sugars sky high - which is definitely a bad thing
* from Harvard and WHO that we have allowed religion not science to guide our food choices of the last 30 years
* from the statistics - our food choices are killing the planet with its mono-culture bias and its people with a high carb, seed oil based diet ever more quickly.
*It is thus utterly logical that getting down LDL-C by means of unnaturally trying to stop the human body do something it wants to do is probably a ridiculous plan and as such we have a trillion dollar statin industry founded on an edifice of sand and driven by religious concepts of vegetarianism.
* It is utterly illogical to promote a diet in man which emphasises vegetables, carbohydrates and seed oils well past man's capacity to absorb them and that is another trillion dollar food industry again founded on an edifice of sand and religion.
* Our medical profession has its roots in puritanism now supported by a pharmaceutical industry benefiting from the poor food choices and epidemiological " science" driven by a desire to " prove" what religion purports to be true.
I am not a religious person, indeed the influence of religion on 20th century Western society had not even crossed my mind until recently.
I can only hope that some common sense will start to come to the for when Swiss Re holds its meeting in June and we will start to at least see some rational articles appear in the British Medical Journal as opposed to the torrent of utter nonsense we have now been subjected to for thirty years.
rant over !