borofergie said:snip
me tooI think we will have to agree to dis-agree.
Food and macronutrient intake of elite kenyan distance runnersThe composition of the Kenyan diet fulfilled most recommendations for endurance athletes for CHO, fat, and protein intake(2). The diet was very high in carbohydrate (76.5%, 607 ± 57 g, 10.4 g/kg BM per day) and correspondingly, very low in fat (13.4%, 46 ± 14 g) (Figure 3, Table 3). This is in stark contrast to the macronutrient content of distance runners from industrialized countries. For example, the CHO intake of elite distance runners in the United States(10), the Netherlands(25), Australia(3), and Southern Africa(15) was 49%, 50%, 52%, and 50%, respectively. This difference in carbohydrate and fat intake between industrialized and nonindustrialized countries has been attributed to the greater availability of foods in industrialized countries(6). In addition to the favorable diet composition, the timing of the post-exercise meal was always within 60 min of exercise, therefore in line with current recommendations aimed at maximizing glycogen resynthesis rates after exercise(2). It is recommended that CHO intake begin immediately after exercise (1.5 g CHO/kg at 2 h intervals) resulting in higher glycogen levels at 6 h post-exercise than when ingestion is delayed for 2 h
http://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Jon ... i_141.htmlI had some raisin bread during my breakfast and I should have known better and remembered that dried fruits digest poorly. So all during my bike I kept throwing up a lot of what I drank together with the better parts of my fluids. It didn’t help at all! During that day I drank Infinit, a high-performing electrolyte drink with both ample minerals and salts as well as good carbo/protein combo. It’s tailor made to fit every person individually. Once I hit the final hours I turn to Coke, Dr Pepper and Red Bull. Same thing for day 2 and 3 with a Swedish recovery bar being the only thing I ate during stage 2 as I normally never eat during any kind of race, only drink.
Between stages I ate non-stop; Recovery drinks, rice pudding, bananas, Clif-bars, candy, chips, water, cookies and some normal meals like Thai food after the first day and fresh fish and mashed potatoes after day 2. My appetite was great all through out and I didn’t have any of that bloating that sometimes occurs during massive physical activity. Except for on the bike during the first day, but I know why that happened
Jonas Colting is a Swedish athlete who seems much more, um, pleasant than fellow Scandinavian Ferry, but who is also cited as following a low-carb diet. However, after winning the Ultraman Hawaii , Colting admitted:
“Between stages I ate non-stop; Recovery drinks, rice pudding, bananas, Clif-bars, candy, chips, water, cookies and some normal meals like Thai food after the first day and fresh fish and mashed potatoes after day 2. My appetite was great all through out and I didn’t have any of that bloating that sometimes occurs during massive physical activity. Except for on the bike during the first day, but I know why that happened.”
When someone pointed this out on a website devoted to the unabashed adulation of all things low-carb, Colting himself replied:
“…you need to put that in context of the event of the Ultraman. It presents physical strains 99.9% of the population will never face and during any kind of event like this, the first priority is to promote digestion.”
Also, as this is an extremely hot and humid event the carbs loads the body on fluids as one gram om [SIC] carb binds four grams of water.
So although I did consume some fast and generally unhealthy carbs I also ate healthy foods and furthermore spent the hundreds and hundreds of days prior to the event maximizing metabolism and health through training and a balanced diet.
I´m not a die-hard low-carb person in every stretch but rather believe in the “train low-race high” concept which includes more carbs during ardous endurance events. None of the negative side effects of excess insulin etc will then occur.”
Translation: “I did not eat a low-carb diet. I actually ate a truckload of simple and complex carbs during the event, and my diet leading up to the event was in no way a low-carb diet in the traditional sense. It was in fact a balanced diet featuring a lower-carb content than what is normally adhered to, followed by a high-carb intake prior to and during the event to maintain optimal muscle glycogen levels.”
Colting is not a “die-hard low-carb person” because he knows full well that following a true low-carbohydrate diet will ruin his athletic performance.
Before we discuss the research showing why low-carb diets are a really, really stupid idea for athletes, I want you to imagine the following post-training conversation between a coach and a star football player whose performance has recently gone to hell in a hand basket:
“Joey, come over here, I need to talk to you”
“Sure, what’s up coach?”
Joey, what the hell is wrong with you?”
“Waddya mean coach?”
“At the start of the year, you were tearing up the field, now you’re playing like a fairy. My elderly mother-in-law could run rings around you. What the hell is going on? You got women problems again?”
“Nah coach, I haven’t touched any underage girls since the player counseling program last year”.
“OK, that’s good. So what’s wrong then? You been drinking? Taking drugs? Family problems? Money trouble? Talk to me Joey, talk to me.”
“Nothing like that, coach.”
“Joey, for the last 3 weeks, you’ve been dragging your butt around like a tired old man. I gotta know why…the sponsors are freaking out, the newspapers and radio shows are having a field day, team management is breaking my balls…think, Joey, think…what happened 3 weeks ago that could’ve caused all this?”
“Well coach, I did change my diet a bit.”
“What do you mean ‘a bit’?”
“Well, a month ago my diabetic Grandma visited from Rockhampton and she was telling us how she lost 5 kilos and felt so much better after following the Dukan Diet and -”
“The WHAT diet?”
“The Dukan Diet. It’s by some French bloke who reckons you should eat lots of protein and ******-all carbs for weight loss. So I went on the Internet and found this website called Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb, which I think is Mexican for a crazy person on a low-carbohydrate diet or something, but anyway, it was saying that these low-carb diets are wikkid for athletes and he even did a podcast with some athlete from one of those countries way up North where the sheilas all have blond hair and pigtails who reckons he felt so much better after starting a low-carb diet, so then I Googled some more and found this article by a bloke called Groves who said that a guy named Momo performed the fastest ever marathon time in Olympic history, and it was because he was from Ethiopia and everyone knows that in Ethiopia everyone eats like the Masai warriors who eat nothing but fatty milk and meat and Zebu cow blood and-“
“Joey!”
“Yeah coach?”
“You know that banned list we give all you players at the start of the year?”
“You mean the one with prohibited stuff we’re s’posed to avoid, like 15 year-old groupies, strip clubs, Hong Kong taxi-cab roofs, and alcohol on airplanes?”
“Yeah, that’s the one. You remember what was at the top of the list? What’s at number one on the list of things to avoid?”
“Can’t remember coach…”
“Fad diets, Joey, fad diets! For chrissakes, we pay big money for a professional sports nutritionist to dial in your eating programs, right down to the very last calorie, and we can’t afford to have you guys stuffing it up by following every half-baked diet scam you come across on the Internet!”
“Sorry coach.”
[The story has a happy ending: Joey met with the team nutritionist, got back on a high-carb diet, religiously took his post-workout carbs, started dating a girl over 18 years of age, and went on to have an awesome season].
It was this: swayed by the low-carb hypebole, many highly active strength and endurance athletes started eating low-carb diets, despite the fact that a literal mountain of research has shown that high-carbohydrate diets were the far superior choice for glycolytic activities.
Intelligently applied non-ketogenic low-carb diets (in other words, not the kind recommended by the low-carb gurus) were actually a good choice for diabetic and totally sedentary folks. But for athletic folks, they were a terrible choice.
So while in the eighties sedentary folks started eating diets with macronutrient and caloric profiles more akin to those of serious athletes, the opposite was now occurring: Many serious athletes were consuming diets with a carbohydrate content suitable only for diabetics and inactive people.
And they were suffering for it.
Angeleyes said:Am I much of a runner, yes actually. It's surprising what you can do if you put youtr mind to it. :lol:
borofergie said:Angeleyes said:Am I much of a runner, yes actually. It's surprising what you can do if you put youtr mind to it. :lol:
Please accept my profuse apologies Angeleyes. [Mod edit: unnecessary comment]
Do you have any more blog links? Much more interesting that peer reviewed scientific journals.
Angeleyes said:I'm very pleased to hear you are well read, there are too many people who claim to be many things on the net, qualifications and such like. They really should be checked out as many spout utter rubbish at times
borofergie said:Angeleyes said:I'm very pleased to hear you are well read, there are too many people who claim to be many things on the net, qualifications and such like. They really should be checked out as many spout utter rubbish at times
Yes, you're right of course. I'd hate to be part of a forum where people pretended to be someone else and invented numerous pseudonyms to agitate people and support themselves in arguments.
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id ... rk=tab_pro
Angeleyes said:I have no idea what your link is about as it goes to a linkedin sign in page?
I suppose we are all not who we say we are, just names on an internet forum. You know, borofergi, I mean is that your real name, I think most people on the net prefer to remain anonymous. Saves weirdos getting in touch and spouting rubbish in places such as blogs etc. They are all frightened to fes up to people in real life. They are not something I would wish to be associated with, don't you agree?
borofergie said:I was confusing you with a [mod edit]
noblehead said:Stephen, it's not very appropriate to call anyone ''fat'' as many people struggle with weigh issues on this very forum, try and stick with the focus of discussion without the need to use insulting language and that way you'll come across much better.....often when someone resorts to name-calling it looks like they have lost the argument!
noblehead said:Stephen, it's not very appropriate to call anyone ''fat'' as many people struggle with weigh issues on this very forum, try and stick with the focus of discussion without the need to use insulting language and that way you'll come across much better.....often when someone resorts to name-calling it looks like they have lost the argument!
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