phoenix said:I've mentioned before, there just isn't the temptation to snack when you're out and about here. You can have a coffee but no food and You can get lunch between 12 and 2pm The only exception is Mc Ds, which is right on the edge of town. Apart from the tourists eating ice creams in summer, I don't often see anyone eating in the street either.
In retreat?I wonder if obesity is just an American cultural virus, that is slowly contaminating the whole world?
Dillinger said:Energy in / energy out as an explanation of weight gain and weight loss is ok if you are a combustion engine but not if you are an interconnecting system of sophisticated homeostatic systems (which we all are) that behaves in different ways depending on the amount and type of energy coming in and the amount of energy going out.
Similar story really,my parents were old school and so takeaways were as you say,fish 'n' chip supper on a friday with the chips cooked in beef dripping which were very moreish as I remember,my mum always cooked in butter,lard or dripping when I was small and I was slim,full of energy and life was good.When I moved out of home to live with my girlfriend(now wife) I discovered Maccy 'd's,pizza Hut,Bella Pasta and a whole load more,I then started to gain weight and became 5st heavier than the 10st I had always been,just put it down to contentment,the mad carb fests and blowouts didn't enter the equation AT ALL and then I got diagnosed,found this place,learned about LCHF diet regimes and well,the rest is history...borofergie said:phoenix said:I've mentioned before, there just isn't the temptation to snack when you're out and about here. You can have a coffee but no food and You can get lunch between 12 and 2pm The only exception is Mc Ds, which is right on the edge of town. Apart from the tourists eating ice creams in summer, I don't often see anyone eating in the street either.
+1
That's almost certainly a major reason why France has less obesity than the UK.
More resistance to American cultural imperialism, and a stricter adherence to a more traditional diet.
I wonder if obesity is just an American cultural virus, that is slowly contaminating the whole world?
I never went to MacDonalds before I was about 12. Take-away food meant fish and chips on a Friday (if we were lucky).
Kellogg’s
According to Kellogg’s 2006 annual report, sales in North America equaled US$7.4 billion (67.3 percent of total sales, up 8 percent from 2005). Full-year revenues were US$11 billion, making Kellogg’s the world’s leading producer of ready-to-eat cereal products. It commands 40 percent of global breakfast cereal sales and makes about 50 percent of Asian prepackaged cereals. However, Asia represents only 2 percent of total company revenues.
Popular cereal brands include Kellogg’s Corn Flakes and Rice Crispies. Typical ingredients of cornflakes include;
Milled Corn
Sugar (Sucrose)
Malt flavoring
High fructose corn syrup (HFCS)
Salt
Iron
Kellogg’s is also a leading seller of convenience foods such as fruit snacks, cereal bars, crackers, toasted pastries, cookies and frozen waffles.
Breakfast cereals
Kellogg’s, Quaker, and Weetabix have all been granted the Royal Warrant by The Queen, with Weetabix getting a second approval from The Prince of Wales.
Kellogg’s has been repeatedly criticised for producing high sugar cereals, and for irresponsible marketing practices – but it has also managed to win the Readers Digest ‘most trusted cereal brand’ for the last three years. The company is adept at marketing itself as a trusted brand despite the poor nutritional profile of some of its products, and the placement of the Royal Warrant on Kellogg’s products is sure to bolster this image.
Quaker also display the Royal Warrant on their packaging, but they do at least produce healthier breakfast cereals, as do Weetabix, who choose not to display either The Queen’s or The Prince of Wale’s Warrants at the present time.
Sid Bonkers said:There is one other thing that was mentioned in last nights program that has until now not been discussed and that was 'snacking' or eating between meals, which is something that was never ever done when I was growing up. And nowadays a whole industry has developed to sell us stuff to eat between meals or to sell us things to eat 'on the go', there is now a Greggs or similar on every high street selling nothing but sandwiches, rolls and pastry items, sausage rolls, pies etc etc. Instead of the Cadbury's chocolate bar that I would get as a treat as a lad, today there are a million different chock bars and sweets that are there to tempt the passing consumer.
But, it is not mandatory to eat these things, when you walk past a Greggs no one rushes out and says "wanna buy some carbs mate" Greggs arent drug dealers they are selling perfectly legal and legitimate food items, but what did we eat before they came along? Well breakfast, lunch and dinner thats what, when we filled the car with petrol a 'man' ran out of the garage and did it for us so we didnt have to queue next to a display of chocolate bars and crisps. Oh and crisps lol, when I were a lad lol, it was Smiths potato crisps that came with a little bag of salt, that was it, there were no other flavours, no choice, today you can buy pretty much any flavour you can think of in any shape you can imagine.
So whats the point of this historical rant, well there is now all this stuff available 24 hours a day to tempt us BUT it is still up to us whether we eat it or not. I have been overweight since my late teens as I stated earlier in this thread or another one, not obese, that came later but certainly overweight, and I got to be overweight by eating and drinking too much, I cant blame the food industry because I ate too much, I have no one to blame but myself for eating 3 chocolate bars a day and having twice as much for lunch as I needed. It wasnt till my diabetes diagnosis that I started looking at what I was eating and I was staggered at the amount of rubbish I was stuffing my face with.
We cant turn back the clock to the 1950's or 60's we have moved on, we have to decide what we will eat and if we chose to overeat that is our choice, I think to blame the food industry for obesity is naive, a bit like blaming the automotive industry for the general lack of exercise today, we need to temper convenience with self discipline, I could drive to the local shop or I could leave the car at home and walk or I could eat a whole packet of Jaffa Cakes or I could just have one and put the rest back in the cupboard or better still just buy them for a treat for the kids to have occasionally, cos lets face it, no one needs a Jaffa Cake, ever, do they?
noblehead said:When I was a lad ( :roll: ) we never had the money to buy snacks or sweets between meals and the food we consumed at meal-times was soon burnt off playing outdoors and walking to and from school, most meals were made from fresh ingredients and bread was the only processed food consumed on a regular bases.
When we were all discussing our modern sedentary lifestyles in a other thread last week Unbeliever (I think it was you but apologies if it wasn't) said that exercise is now something we see as a chore rather than something that is part of our everyday life whether we liked it or not, our lifestyle have changed so much in recent years and although we are more comfortably well off we are paying the price for relying on convenience/ fast foods and our reluctance to ditch the motor car and walk.
Dillinger said:
xyzzy said:Ah I see, its got nothing whatsoever to do with food companies filling low fat products full of carbohydrates and sugar and marketing them as healthy then ?
The fact I've walked an average of 3 - 5km a day for donkey's years and have never particularly eaten fast food as I loathe the companies that push it (and stated that on this forum many times) doesn't enter into it?
I see its all MY fault for being stupid, lazy and slothful, thanks for putting me straight on that.
xyzzy said:I see its all MY fault for being stupid, lazy and slothful, thanks for putting me straight on that.
noblehead said:xyzzy said:I see its all MY fault for being stupid, lazy and slothful, thanks for putting me straight on that.
Your words not mine xyzzy! :?
borofergie said:xyzzy said:swimmer2 said:Suggesting I don't eat ANY processed food is hardly helpful, since is very difficult (not to mention expensive) not to.
+1 Swimmer
-1 (sorry Swim).
It's called Paleo. You can do it, and it isn't that expensive. In fact in some ways it is less expensive, processed food isn't cheap compared to the raw ingredient. You're paying for the convenience.
Meat and 2 veg is what your Granny probably ate every night for her dinner. There were no ready-meals or microwaves in site back then. People even used to boil their own rice! Can you imagine such a thing....
hanadr said:he'd tried for 50 years to prove his theory of "Heart healthy low fat diet". However they didn't comment that he "massaged" the data and still failed.
hanadr said:However I wish a bit more had been made of Ancl Keys's bad science.
noblehead said:xyzzy said:Ah I see, its got nothing whatsoever to do with food companies filling low fat products full of carbohydrates and sugar and marketing them as healthy then ?
The fact I've walked an average of 3 - 5km a day for donkey's years and have never particularly eaten fast food as I loathe the companies that push it (and stated that on this forum many times) doesn't enter into it?
Perhaps you'd like to try answering my questions this time Noblehead.
Of course it's part of the problem and the government need to address the issue like they have done with fat and salt content in our foods. Could you please answer me a question then, where did I use the words Stupid Lazy Slothful in my previous posts or where it was directed at you?..........if you can't then I would ask you not to try and twist people's posts out of context in future.
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