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The Obesity Code - Dr Jason Fung

Celeriac

Celeriac

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Finally, Dr Jason Fung MD, the Canadian nephrologist, has written a book about Intermittent Fasting.

The Obesity Code will be published in U.S.and UK on March 15th and is available to pre-order in paperback for £12.35 GBP in UK from amazon.co.uk and for $14.82 USD from amazon.com
 
I have to say that Jason Fung writing a book about Intermittent Fasting is purely rehashing what was freely available from Lean Gains in terms of any diet/lifestyle plans. He's rehashing for cash in that respect. He does however, apply the title "Doctor" to the publication.
 
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That's nice! Fasting is one nice way of losing weight quickly.. Workout and diet is also quite helpful in weight loss...
 
tim2000s said:
I have to say that Jason Fung writing a book about Intermittent Fasting is purely rehashing what was freely available from Lean Gains in terms of any diet/lifestyle plans. He's a bit of a plagiarist in that respect. He does however, apply the title "Doctor" to the publication.
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In the blogposts I've read, he credits the work of Brad Pilon and others re intermittent fasting and makes no claims about having "invented" it, so the work plagiarism seems a bit OTT.
 
Indy51 said:
In the blogposts I've read, he credits the work of Brad Pilon and others re intermittent fasting and makes no claims about having "invented" it, so the work plagiarism seems a bit OTT.
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Fair point. Edited to rehashing for cash!
 
I think sometimes, some people lose sight of the fact that health care professionals also want to make money and some of these HCPs are also entrepreneurs who would like to be rewarded for some of their work they do whether in excess of their day-to-day contractual requirements of indeed if they do the work within their working days.

Those are the people, it seems to me, who are driving forward changes in thinking. Without changes to thinking, changes to actions will simply never happen. To me, that sort of effort and courage should be rewarded, and of course, for many their primary motivators will be split between the philanthropic and commercial. I see nothing wrong in that, but then, I am someone who aligns with those thoughts.

Personally, I can sell my soul to the devil on a project, but only if I'm paid well enough. Without being paid well enough, I just wouldn't take a load of ^&*%. Would you? <<<< Asking everyone, not anyone in particular.
 
Members of the medical and allied professions writing books is nothing new. Most seem to originate in the U.S. (Fung is Canadian)

In the UK, doctors cannot go against NHS policy if they work in the NHS.

Dr David Cavan, for example, works for the International Diabetes Federation. Dr John Briffa is in private practice, Dr Charles V Clark, also.

Credit Suisse threw a depth charge into the ocean of medical dogma with their report on fat last month.

It's often the people outside the system who can look clearly at the problems.

I don't have a problem with doctors writing books, however wacky. I think the more info that gets out there about eating real food not junk, the better.
 
tim2000s said:
I have to say that Jason Fung writing a book about Intermittent Fasting is purely rehashing what was freely available from Lean Gains in terms of any diet/lifestyle plans. He's rehashing for cash in that respect. He does however, apply the title "Doctor" to the publication.
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I agree, almost everything you find on Jasons Fungs site can be found from Martin Berkhan, and Brad Pilon, Krista Verady and Michaels Moss work on fasting. But Jason Fung is the first one that uses fasting to really effectively treat diabetes. I have read everything on Martin Berkhans website, and he says he will not advice diabetics about fasting, because he is not a doctor.

So that Jason Fung rehashes everything to help people? I cannot be bothered really, I hope he gets filthy rich and helps as many diabetics as possible. Look at his last blogpost, this indian guy at 180cm and 104 kg has had diabetes for 10 years, He reaches out to Jason Fung on the internet, which then gets into contact with the guys indian local doctor. They make a treatment plan in line with Jason Fungs principles, he is cured for diabetes some months later. And this doctor have visited Jason Fung in Canada, to learn as much as possible about diabetes treatment. And if you look at the comments section of the article, you see others doctors from india,, using Fungs methods on theor own patients curing them from diabetes. So I think Jason Fung derserves all the money he can get, so I am gonna by his book, even though he probably just summarizes his blogposts.

For the record I think Jason Fung is to much focused on insulin. I think leptin resistance causing obesity is more important, and that fasting helps lowering the bodyfat setpoint breaking down the leptinresistance, and this causes the fatloss which make diabetes disseapear.
 
Interesting point about leptin - Dr Robert Lustig in his book ' Fat Chance' and on various YouTube vids talks about leptin, sometimes in detail.
 
Celeriac said:
Interesting point about leptin - Dr Robert Lustig in his book ' Fat Chance' and on various YouTube vids talks about leptin, sometimes in detail.
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Yes he does, but the best understanding of leptin by far is Stephan Guyenet responsible for. Here is is blog. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.no/

His blog has learnt me everything I can about obesity, and I contribute him with my 35 kg wieghtloss from 110 kt to 74 kg. His theories explain everything about obesity in my opinion, but his church is a large one, he explains why lowcarbs works, which I love, but also how you can lose a lot of weight on highcarb diets as well.

Here is a short summary of his theory of obesity https://www.dansplan.com/assets/Ideal_Weight_Program_Scientific_Rational.pdf

He is writing what is going to be the best book about obesity ever, The Hungry brain, which comes out in 2016. I know for sure that I am going to buy that one.

Here is a illumantating talk he held as well :
 
I am looking forward to his book coming out on Kindle. I have learnt so much from his blog and video lectures, I feel it's only fair to reimburse him at least a little. I'd much rather pay for things/information that have been offered freely so I already know they work for me. Also, it would be nice to read an edited, flowing version, as I have been jumping back and forth on the website!
 
There's always better ways to make money than writing a book that goes against the norm :)

By the way his program cost $200/yr though most of the information on is blog is sufficient to get you started for free...intermittent fasting...don't cost you any money.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/contact/
 
AndBreathe said:
I think sometimes, some people lose sight of the fact that health care professionals also want to make money and some of these HCPs are also entrepreneurs who would like to be rewarded for some of their work they do whether in excess of their day-to-day contractual requirements of indeed if they do the work within their working days.

Those are the people, it seems to me, who are driving forward changes in thinking. Without changes to thinking, changes to actions will simply never happen. To me, that sort of effort and courage should be rewarded, and of course, for many their primary motivators will be split between the philanthropic and commercial. I see nothing wrong in that, but then, I am someone who aligns with those thoughts.

Personally, I can sell my soul to the devil on a project, but only if I'm paid well enough. Without being paid well enough, I just wouldn't take a load of ^&*%. Would you? <<<< Asking everyone, not anyone in particular.
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Nah, I'll keep my soul.
I always sup with a long spoon.
But, I'm happy to tell people what they want to hear when it's going to be preaching to the converted, and I'll certainly take money for that.
No ^&*%. involved, all donations gratefully received.

Then again, I'm more altruistic, rather than philanthropic.
(For those that aren't converted already)

It'll be interesting if to see other answers to your question, while it's so open.
 
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Celeriac said:
Members of the medical and allied professions writing books is nothing new. Most seem to originate in the U.S. (Fung is Canadian)

In the UK, doctors cannot go against NHS policy if they work in the NHS.

Dr David Cavan, for example, works for the International Diabetes Federation. Dr John Briffa is in private practice, Dr Charles V Clark, also.

Credit Suisse threw a depth charge into the ocean of medical dogma with their report on fat last month.

It's often the people outside the system who can look clearly at the problems.

I don't have a problem with doctors writing books, however wacky. I think the more info that gets out there about eating real food not junk, the better.
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Any link on this?
Credit Suisse threw a depth charge into the ocean of medical dogma with their report on fat last month.
 
tim2000s said:
Yes, the Pharma analysts are now poring over this document to understand the implications...!
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and trying to find a way to monetise it i bet.. do you think we will soon get "fat pills" so we don't have to go to al the trouble of eating it?
 
bulkbiker said:
Above doesn't seem to work try this..

https://doc.research-and-analytics.csfb.com/docView?language=ENG&source=ulg&format=PDF&document_id=1053247551&serialid=MFT6JQWS+4FvvuMDBUQ7v9g4cGa84/gpv8mURvaRWdQ=

will this work? otherwise it is linked on this thread
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/lose-weight-with-type-1.84847/#post-955523
post number 2
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Thanks for that, I thought I had read the full report, turns out I had only read the abridged version. Something else to print out and send to the doctors surgery. Very interesting reading.
 
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