douglas99 said:Patch13 said:The Inuit and the Masai people's traditional diet has been based on meat, fat and animal consumables and they have had little modern disease except when they have chosen to switch to a modern ( carb) based diet. However we also need to note that these people tend to eat the majority of the animals they kill including liver, heart, etc which low carbers in studies may not have been eating (just a suggestion as I haven't read the studies themselves. I have read a few books around the subject and intend to read the actual studies when I have time).
Also dr Richard Bernstein has lived on a low carb, ketogenic diet for about 40+ years and has reversed complications he had due to diabetes. His blood profiles have never looked so good.
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I suggest reading more as well.
"The Inuit (Eskimo) have the highest osteoporosis rates in the world. In a study of 217 children, 89 adults, and 107 elderly Inuit in Alaska, researchers found that they had lower bone mineral content, onset of bone loss at an earlier age, and development of bone thinning with a greater intensity than white Americans"
"The Masai have the highest osteoporosis rates in Kenya"
But, to be fair, that's google, so I don't have the references to hand.
If you want to check them out, you can. If you want to dismiss it out of hand, that's an option as well.
But even Bernstein devotes chapters in his books to vitamin and mineral supplements in his diet.
And here's a final quote from a poster on marksdailyapple.
Make of it what you will.
"Also, I would like to point out something. Historically, all the larger and more dominant civilizations regularly ate grains and potatoes and were still healthy. For example, Romans Greeks, Mongols, and Japanese. Most of the civilizations eating mainly meat-based diets are very small and not very advanced even though they were healthy. For example, the Inuit, Eskimos, Native Americans, and the Maasai. Americans basically wiped out the native Americans, and at the time, the Americans were still eating grains and potatoes, and were more fit because of more walking and other manual labor. Obesity and type 2 diabetes are recent illnesses. These diseases have been more recent to us than the discovery of cooking grains."
brett said:If your burning all the ketones, then shouldn't you show 0 ketones.
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Thundercat said:I am not a low carber but have reduced them significantly. I have learned a lot on this forum about low carb diets but know it would be difficult for me personally. If my reduced carb diet stopped being effective I would be prepared to try the very low carb diet. So, right up front I am not opposed to ketosis as a fuel method. What I am getting from Douglas on this thread is that if you choose this diet keep an eye out for side effects and take precautions. I don't feel that he is trying to convert people back to carbs.
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noblehead said:To ketone or not to ketone........that is the question :lol:
Seriously though, I don't think for those that see it as unnecessary and have doubts about its safety are going to be persuaded otherwise by what's said on this thread, the same can be said for those on the other-side..... so we are going round and round in circles here yet again :crazy:
brett said:Cause its my opinion, and although there is research about it as previously stated by other posters, cba to post links and continue to bang my head against a brick wall on this thread anymore. yes it MAY be good SHORT term to shock the system. Yes you will have good sugar levels with reduced/no meds. Imo long term ketones= trouble, possibly causing OTHER complications down the track
Again, imo I would prefer to have a diet that causes no ketones, and be medicated properly to control sugar levels. If needed, would do anything possible, such as exercise, reduce carbs to possibly reduce meds, insulin whatever but without having ketones.
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Andy12345 said:its scarey stuff this, if for example someone was about to try a ketogenic diet that would maybe save their life or lengthen it, after reading this could be put off, therefore not achieve what they may have, or visa versa, scarey scarey stuff indeed
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