The word that is used to describe someone that doesn't read

[borofergie]

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I concede that you might be able to partially cure ignorance by reading newspapers and journals

I'll take it all back that you've learnt your lesson Stephen :shock:

Instead of taking parts of my post out of context - why don't you answer the substantive points?

This is what I wrote...

concede that you might be able to partially cure ignorance by reading newspapers and journals (which are in fact books), but whichever way you look at it, the vast majority of human knowledge is contained in books (either physical or virtual). That may change in the future, but for now, if you choose to ignore books then you are not maximising your educational potential, and are therefore more ignorant than you might be.

 

[borofergie]

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I also stand by my point that you are wrong to criticise a book that you haven't bothered to read. Especially on the grounds that the books in question are "controversial". I'd argue that most of the great books of our culture were regarded as "controversial" when they were published. That's what makes them great books.

Now if you'd kindly answer the point I made about Das Kapital, the Wealth of Nations and Origin of Species...

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

 

[noblehead]

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I concede that you might be able to partially cure ignorance by reading newspapers and journals

I'll take it all back that you've learnt your lesson Stephen :shock:

Instead of taking parts of my post out of context - why don't you answer the substantive points?

This is what I wrote...

concede that you might be able to partially cure ignorance by reading newspapers and journals (which are in fact books), but whichever way you look at it, the vast majority of human knowledge is contained in books (either physical or virtual). That may change in the future, but for now, if you choose to ignore books then you are not maximising your educational potential, and are therefore more ignorant than you might be.

As a say Stephen I did give you a chance to excuse yourself after admitting that you didn't mean people who don't read books are ''IGNORANT''.....however you seem to have now decided that you did in fact mean what you said and that people who don't read books are indeed ''IGNORANT''

Read the replies (not your own btw) and do see that members of the forum don't agree with you and your choice of words.

 

[borofergie]

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Read the replies (not your own btw) and do see that members of the forum don't agree with you and your choice of words.

Not true.

Grazer, Lucylockett, RRB and Geoff (libraising) agreed with me.

I've done you the courtesy of answering your questions, honestly and in full. Either answer the points that I've raised or concede the argument.

 

[CollieBoy]

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Well reading through the thread, i think that perhaps Stephen could have phrased things a little better, especially scince some people love to jump on others, and try to twist the meanings. Sorry but Noblehead has not covered himself in glory in this case! :thumbdown:

 

[noblehead]

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Read the replies (not your own btw) and do see that members of the forum don't agree with you and your choice of words.

Not true.

Grazer, Lucylockett, RRB and Geoff (libraising) agreed with me.

I've done you the courtesy of answering your questions, honestly and in full. Either answer the points that I've raised or concede the argument.

Read Lucy's excellent reply to the thread on why it isn't all about reading books...enjoy!............



Hi Guys,

Just to add to this debate. We all learn in different ways. Knowledge is power and we can gain knowledge several ways. By reading, listening, observing, doing, applying.

Anyone heard of Kolbs Learning styles?

Pragmatist.......Learns best when applied to the job in hand or workplace.
Theorist...........Learns best by taking on board theoretical information.
Activist............Learns best by getting stuck in and just doing it.
Reflector..........Learns best by observing and listening.

I truely believe that this has a profound impact on how we learn. As an ex Training Manager when writing a training course one has to ensure that all 4 learning styles are considered.

So to call someone who doesn't read is a very limited view. Some people can't get enough of reading others simply dont enjoy it. And some as Nigel said simply are unable.

Lucy xxx

 

[smidge]

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Come on Guys - agree to disagree on this one will you?

Smidge

 

[borofergie]

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Nice. Pity it's the wrong Lucy.

I also stand by my point that you are wrong to criticise a book that you haven't bothered to read. Especially on the grounds that the books in question are "controversial". I'd argue that most of the great books of our culture were regarded as "controversial" when they were published. That's what makes them great books.

Now if you'd kindly answer the point I made about Das Kapital, the Wealth of Nations and Origin of Species...

If you can answer it, then answer it.

 

[noblehead]

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Nice. Pity it's the wrong Lucy.

I also stand by my point that you are wrong to criticise a book that you haven't bothered to read. Especially on the grounds that the books in question are "controversial". I'd argue that most of the great books of our culture were regarded as "controversial" when they were published. That's what makes them great books.

Now if you'd kindly answer the point I made about Das Kapital, the Wealth of Nations and Origin of Species...

If you can answer it, then answer it.

Off topic Stephen and lets not derail the thread and discuss your choosen Books, did you enjoy the post by Lucy?......It's a great post and proves that more than one way of learning :thumbup:

 

[borofergie]

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Off topic Stephen and lets not derail the thread and discuss your choosen Books, did you enjoy the post by Lucy?......It's a great post and proves that more than one way of learning :thumbup:

I didn't choose those books - society did. If you want more "controversial" books I can supply a list of hundreds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bo ... overnments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... ted_States
http://listverse.com/2010/04/24/10-noto ... ial-books/

In response to Lucy's post - since the the majority of human knowledge is contained in books - if you fail to read any books ever then you cannot possibly maximise your educational potential and therefore you must be more ignorant than you might otherwise be. QED.

 

[borofergie]

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Come on Guys - agree to disagree on this one will you?

Smidge

I don't understand - the thread was started to address the point that we are addressing. Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?

 

[Robinredbreast]

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Read the replies (not your own btw) and do see that members of the forum don't agree with you and your choice of words.

Not true.

Grazer, Lucylockett, RRB and Geoff (libraising) agreed with me.

I've done you the courtesy of answering your questions, honestly and in full. Either answer the points that I've raised or concede the argument.

I love reading, I'm reading a book right now with the author writing about WW11, fiction I love it and cant wait to pick it up again. Many older people who may have had dyslexsia, but were called dunces etc just couldn't read, write or spell and went on through their adult lives living with this and often in secrecy too because of the 'shame'. I cant imagine what that was like for these people and not being able to even read the news headlines or help their children with school work. Ignorance, cannot rear its ugly head.

As you have said Lucy. I am one of those who cant get enough of reading, but my trouble is, I get 'stuck into a book' and my daughter can be saying something and I don't hear it, sorry sweetheart RRB ps I also love looking in my Thesaurus, it's a brilliant book A quote written on the back of the Thesaurus :- 'As normal a part of an intelligent household's library as the bible, Shakespear and a dictionary' - Daily Telegraph

This is my actual post and I have not agreed with borofergie or implied that I have. I dont know where that came from :eh: i would just like to add that any ongoing disagreements between 2 members, should be made by the appropiate means, a pm, this really shouldn't continue and is seriously harming what would and could be a very informative and positive thread. Its just how I SEE IT guys.

Wanted to finish with this:-

What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. Ralph Waldo Emerson

With very good wishes to all RRB

 

[noblehead]

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I didn't choose those books - society did. If you want more "controversial" books I can supply a list of hundreds.

I bet you could Stephen and that is why you draw the conclusion that people are ''ignorant'' if they don't read the books that you read and agree with.

To read a book like The great Cholesterol Con (going back to the original thread and the focus of discusion....cholesterol) you have to believe that the advice is flawed or doubtful, as I don't then I don't see the need to waste my time and money on something I have no interest in reading, the difference between you and I is that I wouldn't call people ''ignorant'' or any other derogatory word for not reading something that I believe in or enjoy.....that is dear boy the whole purpose of the thread!!!

Off to bed now as I have an early start, I'll wish you a restful nights sleep and will chat tomorrow lunch

 

[lucylocket61]

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I'm the other Lucy - Lucylocket61

I think the point is the word chooses

People who choose not to read controversial books, but then disparage those books, are speaking from ignorance. They are ignorant of the contents of the books they disparage, not that they are ignorant people by nature.

And whether they read the books, or have them read to them (I am dyslexic), they can choose to be informed.

To choose to be uninformed about a subject one is both discussing and disparaging those who choose to become informed or the books and other matter which informs them, is to choose to be ignorant.

See this definition [url=http://diction...tp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant[/url], particularly number 4, which I believe to be the most relevant and applicable one in this case.

4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

PS This thread not a disagreement nor an argument. This is an informative discussion on a word, and its use, and the different ways its use is interpreted by the readers and writers of it.

 

[Robinredbreast]

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I didn't choose those books - society did. If you want more "controversial" books I can supply a list of hundreds.

I bet you could Stephen and that is why you draw the conclusion that people are ''ignorant'' if they don't read the books that you read and agree with.

To read a book like The great Cholesterol Con (going back to the original thread and the focus of discusion....cholesterol) you have to believe that the advice is flawed or doubtful, as I don't then I don't see the need to waste my time and money on something I have no interest in reading, the difference between you and I is that I wouldn't call people ''ignorant'' or any other derogatory word for not reading something that I believe in or enjoy.....that is dear boy the whole purpose of the thread!!!

Off to bed now as I have an early start, I'll wish you a restful nights sleep and will chat tomorrow lunch

Goodnight , maybe things will look differently tomorrow and a good day on the forum, will be had by all, posters and readers ( especially new members) :idea: Best wishes RRB

 

[BioHaZarD]

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I don't read books, I read the paper, news online, magazines, but never books. Just don't get it? I don't have the patience to read books.

Hi BioHaZarD.
Know what you mean with your points here - I know a bloke who never reads anything yet
as a nuclear medicine specialist, he hasnt the patience to read things either.
Though he leaves sky news on endlessly! It drives me mad too :crazy:
This is his way of keeping up with what is happening in the world...
Anna.

Lol, yeah my wife is always on at me cos I know what's going on and got endless trivia. :lol:

 

[borofergie]

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I didn't choose those books - society did. If you want more "controversial" books I can supply a list of hundreds.

I bet you could Stephen and that is why you draw the conclusion that people are ''ignorant'' if they don't read the books that you read and agree with.

No - my point is that you have to read around the subject and consider all sides of the argument. I simply said that you cannot (continually) dismiss books that you haven't bothered to read.

If you dismiss a book such as "the Great Cholesterol Con" without reading it, then you might as well dismiss the "Origin of Species" or "the Holy Bible", both of which are similarly controversial books. I haven't read "the Great Cholesterol Con" (yet - although it is on my Kindle list) so I'm not going to express an opinion about the information contained within.

To read a book like The great Cholesterol Con (going back to the original thread and the focus of discusion....cholesterol) you have to believe that the advice is flawed or doubtful

:shock: How will you ever know if the advice is flawed or doubtful if you don't bother to read around the subject? That is simply "blind faith".

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley

How can you express an opinion on a topic that you have not bothered to research?

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
― Harlan Ellison

 

[Grazer]

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Read the replies (not your own btw) and do see that members of the forum don't agree with you and your choice of words.

apart from those who do........
Besides, not sure that "my gang is bigger than yours" is a winner in adult intellectual dispute.
But as we're discussing what "members on the forum" think, you'll see that a few believe you were out of line the way you tried to quote the use of the word "ignorant" out of context.

 

[borofergie]

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Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge). The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware.

 

[anna29]

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Hello Everyone...
It is clear that this has got out of hand and returned to bickering and arguements over the
context of the topic titled.
Despite myself neutralising this thread earlier and getting it back on topic...
Its a shame as we're all adults and it could have been kept on track.
Am locking this thread to let things cool down.
Anna.