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To lie or not to lie?

Discussion in 'Gestational Diabetes' started by busydiabeticmum, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. busydiabeticmum

    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I made a complaint with the consultant midwife who is trying to deal with them, I am reminded every week that if I don't control my bgl my baby is at risk of being too big and having to have her shoulders broken to be removed, still born and have problems with her lungs... I have refused several medications and asked that this not be discussed too, however they do every week. I have explained exactly what you said to each member of the team and they never answer me but go back to are you adding the carbs like we said... they call me several times a week inbetween hospital visits and it's really frustrating.
     
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  2. wiflib

    wiflib Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I’d lie through my back teeth and ask to see the head of Midwifery and make sure there is a copy of your notes from the previous hospital. I’d decline any further input from the diabetic team until that happens.
    Show what you’ve written here and describe how harassed, stressed and unsupported you are. If I were closer, I’d be advocating for you too.

    I agree with you, the potential harm to you and your baby is from the stress of all this and I’m ashamed that I was part of a profession who still bullies women.
     
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  3. wiflib

    wiflib Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    That is called shroud waving and a nasty form of control that bad practitioners use to elicit compliance. The next time someone calls, answer and tell them you are complaining to the NMC/GMC about their bullying.
     
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  4. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    If you have already written a letter of complaint, and it is in process, then I suggest that you print out copies of that letter, with another covering letter, referring the recipient to the consultant dealing with your complaint.

    Then every time someone contacts you by phone, ask them for their name, job title, email or postal address, and tell them that you are sending them a complaint letter.

    If they harrass you in a group, or singly at appointments, just pull the letters out of your bag and hand them out, asking for the name and job title of each person.

    Be sure to mention 'scaremongering' 'harrassment' 'bullying' and 'emotional blackmail' in your covering letter.

    Obviously, you don't go around threatening people with these. You act perfectly polite and compliant until they start in on you with the pressure, and then you respond, politely, by handing them the letter and explaining that this subject is not open for discussion. Then refuse to engage further until the subject is changed.
     
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  5. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I would tell them to stick their orders where the sun don't shine, and put in a formal (written) complaint if they continue to harass.
     
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  6. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    and, further to my post above, you need to document every single encounter (phone, letter, email, meeting) with all staff, and if they start in on the 'eat more carbs like we told you', then you just record who said what, and when, and add it to your complaint.

    I completely accept that there are a lot of medical professionals who genuinely believe that carbs are necessary to keep the brain functioning and help you grow a healthy baby. That isn't actually the problem here. The real problem is that you are being systematically harrassed in what looks like a campaign by a whole health team. If it looks like a bully, and talks like a bully...
     
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  7. busydiabeticmum

    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    And @Brunneria
    Thanks... the problem is they make it seem like you have to choose which department you fight, they made HUGE errors with my last baby born there, nearly killed him several times. I had to watch my newborn crash after he was over ventilated and bled from his lungs, I had to watch him as he then crashed with all his organs shutting down one by one, his arteries collapsed and they needed an arterial line in so they had to open his umbilical cord to get some lines in and there was no time for pain relief for him so I again had to watch as he was sown up and flinching with each stitch! They then gave him the wrong medication, contaminated him by giving him another baby's dummy to shut him up because they couldn't be bothered to feed him, weren't changing his nappy, then again gave him the wrong medication again this time medically inducing him into a hypothermic state for over a week. I developed ptsd and still get flashbacks. They blamed me for all this because my bgl weren't controlled even though I followed their diet.
    I refused to go back to that hospital and was able to go to a better one... it was just too far though.
    I have already had an interview with the head of midwives but I was made to feel like I needed to concentrate on one thing to be dealt with and so I concentrated on NICU... since then the care I received is even worse and mistakes that are being made are being swept under the carpet (I actually have this in text form from one of the midwives).
    I will be taking my husband with me for the next appointment so hopefully my voice will be heard, I just get a bit worried that if I say something I will be treated worse than I am now. But I know my husband is better at this sort of thing than I am.

    He's telling me to stand my ground and not let them push me down and while he's right it's quite hard to do when you are in such a vulnerable situation.
     
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  8. busydiabeticmum

    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks I will do that.
     
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    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Those were really informative thank you for sharing them.
     
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  10. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Yes there was:

     
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  11. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Expert
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    Do you have a link to the thread, rather than just Guzzlers post? Whilst I'm sure Guzzler's post and link are excellent, a whole thread can help add context.
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Press the arrow next to Guzzler in the quote box and it takes you back to the thread.
     
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  13. busydiabeticmum

    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    @DCUKMod , thanks that link is great and actually something I know about... but the link doesn't refer to ketosis... is there another link for that?

    I am in hospital on Thursday so I'm loading up ready... I would really love that they change their system. I'm feeling really optimistic about that now thanks to everybody here. Thanks for the help and support.
     
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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    This is link is talking about breast feeding, whereas this thread is about the affect of the pregnant mother and the affect of her keto diet on her unborn baby. Am I missing something?
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    The Guzzler statement was of course that the baby is in ketosis while in the womb.

    “Babies in the womb are in ketosis...”

    In this thread the question arises at one point about the conditions in the womb created by the mother avoiding carbs. Post #1

    “... they told me I will loose my baby that it creates an acidic environment for baby and that she doesn't like being in that environment.”

    Hence the relevance.
     
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  16. busydiabeticmum

    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    And @Listlad thanks listlad, yes I need about pregnancy, I know breastfeeding is absolutely amazing and we have only just scratched the surface but to convince them that I'm not killing my baby or hurting her I will need scientific evidence as not even my own success is enough for them.
     
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    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3685567/

    Everything I found says that I am harming my baby!!! It is all negative... but it doesn't make sense, my last son is fine, could this be a case of "exception not the norm"?!

    I just google keto diet in pregnancy... I am seriously questioning myself now... how can the the links shared by @Tophat1900 coincide with these "scientific"findings... it is contradictory!
     
  18. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't worry too much about that. Scientific evidence, or lack thereof, has never stopped anyone else prescribing murderous dietary advice. Governments are particularly good at it. I'd be asking for scientific evidence (not parroted opinion) that your diet will harm your baby. They won't be able to cite any.
     
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  19. busydiabeticmum

    busydiabeticmum I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The ncbi link I shared is scientific research about the effect of keto diet in pregnancy... but it's an experiment on mice which I don't think can truly reflect upon humans. At the same time though I am having that nasty feeling in my stomach! If anything goes wrong I have only myself to blame.
     
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    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It also seems as though the fats used were predominantly polyunsaturated seed oils. As is typical of these types of studies, they tend to use the very fats/oils that most well-informed keto proponents avoid like the plague.
     
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