What I said was that obesity per se doesn't cause T2. If your insulin resistance is increasing then continuing to eat a high carb diet will raise triglycerides and the elevated insulin facilitates the laying down of visceral fat. Most of us here are trying to get the media to stop talking rubbish such as obesity causes T2.
This makes an interesting discussion.
It's well suited for the 'Diabetes Discussion' forum, rather than the 'Low Carb' forum.
You call it rubbish, however, for many, or maybe just me, if I hadn't taken a route to obesity, I doubt I would have become diabetic.
Maybe it is chicken and egg, maybe both obesity and type 2 are both symptoms of poor diet, but I do know it's not rubbish that when I decided to change diet so as to not be obese, I found I wasn't suffering from the type 2 either. Or maybe it's the other way round.
But regardless of cause and effect, I found, as many have others, fix one, fix the other.
So get those patients out of the way, and then maybe the burden on the NHS will be reduced significantly enough to have made it a worthwhile case.
Reduce obesity, and you'll also benefit from reducing a lot of other complications of obesity, regardless of how it was caused.
It's very easy to get hung up on low carb as the only solution, but it's also a simple test if it is the ultimate solution, and obesity is caused by type 2, which is caused by carbs.
Let people lose weight. If obesity is a symptom of diabetes, everyone will still be diabetic.
If your insulin resistance is increasing then continuing to eat a high carb diet will raise triglycerides and the elevated insulin facilitates the laying down of visceral fat.
Eventually all the 'thin' diabetics will become obese.
The Newcastle Diet will be debunked, all diabetics will become obese, regardless of weight at point of diagnosis.
But it's more likely any 'diet' will be lower carb, as a classical diet removed refined carbs, potato, pasta, so defining the carb threshold becomes the target.
