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Transition to real food post newcastle diet

Andrew Colvin said:
Just for a comparison for you @brettsza 5.1 before a plate of Shepherd's pie and 5.2 at 2 hours so you are seeing very similar results to me
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Hi Andrew
That's good to know, I have stayed more or less flat with normal cakes I have had once and ice cream another day. I monitor closely if I eat high carb or anything sweet with real sugar but if I am eating low carb I skip testing.
 
Well, 1 week off the ND and into LCHF, along with entertaining & feeding visitors and trying to sort out portion sizes, etc. for my own needs my weight has gone up, down and then settled at 3/4lb higher than the end of ND so, all-in-all, not too bad for the first week of transition.

Some meals were so filling and, as long as it's just me to think about, I have adjusted to skipping a meal time on occassions. BG readings have had a marginal increase here and there, but still within non-diabetic ranges. BP marginally increased for a day or two as well, but there were a couple of days where I was working to a deadline that may have contributed there too.

It's a learning process, but I'll stick with it. Three weeks to my next set of blood tests with the doctor, the first since starting down the ND & LCHF path, so really looking forward to some positive results on top of what I already know about weight, BP & reduced medication.
 
Hi Rob

Welcome to the thread, I am so happy to see your results. First week is very difficult as whatever you eat makes you full, I remember having a few nuts and I was absolutely full. Now 6 weeks in and I feel so much better but sometime too hungry and I still go to water if I know my fasting is not finished yet, at times I slip but Its human nature, sometime you really want to eat a bit instead of suffering. As far as weight goes I still fluctuate but I only take it once a week.
All the best on your journey to transition to real food.
 
I'm eating more and more normally now - with one big exception. I dont eat as much. I'm following the logic that is there is 25% less of me - I dont need 25% of what I used to eat! :rolleyes:
 
Just a midweek update I lost a kilo in last 4 days as started hit and walks again.
I was 4.5 before dinner and 5.1 after 1 hour of dinner which was omlette and mushrooms and few slices of mango as a treat. :)
 
I'm interested in the discussion about family meals. I think it is important to sit down together. But we don't want to eat the same things - or at least not the same quantities of the same things. I dont want to impose my diet on them - and I simply cant eat the same things as they do. So here is what I do. I dont plate anything up. I put it all in the middle of the table - and let people help themselves to as much of whatever they want. Sounds simple - but it seems to work. Much easier of course as the weather is getting better because I can always throw a salad into the mix. But things like sauces, gravy's, high carb veg (potatoes etc...) or rice and pasta are there for the taking. I dont crave them and can take them or leave them. If I make a curry or a pasta sauce - I will have it over veg - they prefer pasta or rice. It seems to work out ok.
 
Had a big meal last night. It was fantastic. Pea and mint soup - chateaubriand steak with creamy mushroom sauce and green veg - then panna cotta with balsamic strawberries. Followed by cheese. We started with a milky cocktail and ended with a home-made ginger wine (transiting through a glass of red wine). The only compromises I made were only half a bread role with the soup and I avoided the potato dauphinoise. (probably not very much of a compromise!).

My fasting blood this morning was 5.6 - so not too bad. But now I am thinking what I need to do to restore my weight and blood issues. I know I cant eat like that all the time - and I have let myself off eating like this for events / special occasions. But I know I now need to make an adjustment. I'll try a fasting day (Monday). And take it very light today. Is there a detox of sorts that anyone knows about?
 
Steve50 said:
Had a big meal last night. It was fantastic. Pea and mint soup - chateaubriand steak with creamy mushroom sauce and green veg - then panna cotta with balsamic strawberries. Followed by cheese. We started with a milky cocktail and ended with a home-made ginger wine (transiting through a glass of red wine). The only compromises I made were only half a bread role with the soup and I avoided the potato dauphinoise. (probably not very much of a compromise!).

My fasting blood this morning was 5.6 - so not too bad. But now I am thinking what I need to do to restore my weight and blood issues. I know I cant eat like that all the time - and I have let myself off eating like this for events / special occasions. But I know I now need to make an adjustment. I'll try a fasting day (Monday). And take it very light today. Is there a detox of sorts that anyone knows about?
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I'm pleased you enjoyed your feast last night. It all sounds delicious. On an aside, I'd be interested to hear your recipe for home made ginger wine. Both myself and my OH are big fans of ginger in any format. I've made home made ginger beer, which was incredibly alcoholic, from an age-old family recipe of his, but I haven't made that for an age (in fact, I can't think where that recipe is).

But, back to the meat of your post.

What is the objective of your proposed detox? Surely you've just done weeks and weeks of a detox, in the form of the ND? If you are considering it a tool, to stop the carb creep/indulgences (like last night) in it's tracks, then I sort of get it, but wouldn't you be better placed by getting back to the way you intend to eat forever? Surely by feasting, then detoxing (in my head famine), you are going to stress your body? I know if I have a blow out, with lots of carbs, I can find myself hungrier the next day. I'm sure it's partly "last meal effect" kicking in, and partly the addictive nature of carbs, in particular. Hunger, or just wanting food (but not necessarily being clinically hungry) is a horrid feeling and doesn't set me up for a relaxed pattern of eating over the longer term.

My objective, having got my bloods in rein, and trimmed all the weight I wanted to lose, was to find a way of eating, I could settle into without angst, hunger or yo-yo activities. Any of those three feel like potential triggers to lever my off the wagon, metaphorically speaking.

Just my thoughts.
 
AndBreathe said:
I'm pleased you enjoyed your feast last night. It all sounds delicious. On an aside, I'd be interested to hear your recipe for home made ginger wine. Both myself and my OH are big fans of ginger in any format. I've made home made ginger beer, which was incredibly alcoholic, from an age-old family recipe of his, but I haven't made that for an age (in fact, I can't think where that recipe is).

But, back to the meat of your post.

What is the objective of your proposed detox? Surely you've just done weeks and weeks of a detox, in the form of the ND? If you are considering it a tool, to stop the carb creep/indulgences (like last night) in it's tracks, then I sort of get it, but wouldn't you be better placed by getting back to the way you intend to eat forever? Surely by feasting, then detoxing (in my head famine), you are going to stress your body? I know if I have a blow out, with lots of carbs, I can find myself hungrier the next day. I'm sure it's partly "last meal effect" kicking in, and partly the addictive nature of carbs, in particular. Hunger, or just wanting food (but not necessarily being clinically hungry) is a horrid feeling and doesn't set me up for a relaxed pattern of eating over the longer term.

My objective, having got my bloods in rein, and trimmed all the weight I wanted to lose, was to find a way of eating, I could settle into without angst, hunger or yo-yo activities. Any of those three feel like potential triggers to lever my off the wagon, metaphorically speaking.

Just my thoughts.
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Hi AB

I guess the issue is mostly psychological. I feel that after an indulgence I need to make a conscious correction. I need to be in control through direct action. Moving into a natural way of eating is how I got into trouble in the fist place. Basically I don't trust myself.
 
Steve50 said:
Hi AB

I guess the issue is mostly psychological. I feel that after an indulgence I need to make a conscious correction. I need to be in control through direct action. Moving into a natural way of eating is how I got into trouble in the fist place. Basically I don't trust myself.
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I didn't suggest that a natural way of eating is how I ate before. But, I need(ed) to build a portfolio of options, around food and exercise that I could call upon that didn't/don't involve hunger, starving or over indulgence. Normal is a new normal.

It's completely your choice, but it's the rebound feelings of hunger (as opposed to actual hunger) I want to avoid. I don't need self-flagellation in my life.
 
Hi AB

I don't see fasting as self-flagellation - :wideyed:. In an odd way I actually feel ok about it - since the NP. It feels nice.

But it is not eating in the same way as I did beforehand. I found that things that I grew up with as 'treats' became more like 'snacks'. I know I can easily reverse that - and I don't really miss them - but that is what I would call 'eating normally'. My normal eating had become indulgent. There is no getting away from it - the only way I gained weight was to have eaten too much. So a 'portfolio of options' - by which I guess you mean alternative food choices - probably would not work for me. Eating in the first place was my problem. I need to shrink the stomach. :rolleyes:
 
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