Type 2 combined with Crohns Disease

Valeria

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Hi, my first time on this site so here goes - I have been struggling to manage both my Type 2 and Crohns conditions. Having had Crohns for over 30 years, undergoing 4 x Bowel Resections and various treatments including Humera and Infleximeb I was diagnosed with Type 2 last Christmas.

Managing diet with Crohns was ok, triggers being Pork and any vegetable and fruit with seeds, using Bile Salt meds, BUT these meds affect the way Gliclazide works for the T2. So have to make sure I take them 4 hours apart.

My big issue is where I cant eat most veg/fruit, and T2 diet calls for just that to help manage the blood sugar, is there ayone out there that has these 2 conditions and has managed to find a diet that helps manage both?

Thank you for reading even if you cant assist.
 

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I think that @Brunneria may be able to offer some dietary advice here as, if memory serves (and it often doesn't! ) she follows a diet more geared toward meat than veggies.

Welcome to the forum, there are a few members who are in a similar situation to yours and I am sure that they will be along soon to offer advice and support. Have a wander around the forum while you wait, it's a great place to be.
 

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The mainstays of my diet are beef, lamb and chicken with sweet peppers, courgettes and mushrooms - other foods are involved to be sure, but those are on the menu almost every week. Any of those foods useful to you?
 

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@Valeria, Just a long shot but by any chance are you based in Hertfordshire?

a friends' friend was diagnosed around last Christmas and I'm not sure how popular the two conditions are...
 

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Thanks @Guzzler

and welcome @Valeria

I can't comment on Crohns I am afraid. Although I have known someone with it, and it was very difficult for them, they hadn't had any operations, but were heading that way. Very tricky managing it on a day to day basis.

My own experience is MUCH milder, and probably not at all comparable. But this is how it has gone for me:

Just before Xmas I got a bad tummy bug that kept coming back over Xmas and January. Not pleasant.
Trial and error led me to realise that while my guts had recovered from the tummy bug, they were still absurdly sensitive to fibre and only wanted to digest certain foods.

Things are slowly improving, but now (5 months later) I find myself able to digest meat, fish, eggs, cheese, some dairy, and a few small oddities like chocolate, potato and (bizarrely) nuts, without any problems at all. However fruit, veg and grains cause very unpleasant repercussions.

Faced with this, I spent a while researching what is known on the Web as 'Zero Carbing' where people aim to get ALL their nutrition from meat, fish and eggs. And I have been doing that since just after Xmas. I would much prefer to eat a wider range of foods, and when my guts recover enough, then I expect I will do so, but in the meantime, I find carnivory a sustainable option.

Hope that helps!

If you do a google search for 'zero carb', 'zero carb zen' and 'eat meat drink water' you will find quite a bit of info come up.

:)
 
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Sounds like you are a perfect ketogenic dieter (obviously without the bacon part unfortunately).
Guessing you are ok with green veg as no seeds? and all other meat apart from pork?
Are avocados ok?
Just watch out with the Glic as I believe it could cause you to hypo if you go low carb too soon but you may be able to get off it completely by changing what you eat a bit.
 

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The mainstays of my diet are beef, lamb and chicken with sweet peppers, courgettes and mushrooms - other foods are involved to be sure, but those are on the menu almost every week. Any of those foods useful to you?
Hi yes, that's pretty much what I eat at the moment, I guess it's such a lifestyle change I need to be a bot more patient, but it's darn hard, as you are aware.
 

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Thanks @Guzzler

and welcome @Valeria

I can't comment on Crohns I am afraid. Although I have known someone with it, and it was very difficult for them, they hadn't had any operations, but were heading that way. Very tricky managing it on a day to day basis.

My own experience is MUCH milder, and probably not at all comparable. But this is how it has gone for me:

Just before Xmas I got a bad tummy bug that kept coming back over Xmas and January. Not pleasant.
Trial and error led me to realise that while my guts had recovered from the tummy bug, they were still absurdly sensitive to fibre and only wanted to digest certain foods.

Things are slowly improving, but now (5 months later) I find myself able to digest meat, fish, eggs, cheese, some dairy, and a few small oddities like chocolate, potato and (bizarrely) nuts, without any problems at all. However fruit, veg and grains cause very unpleasant repercussions.

Faced with this, I spent a while researching what is known on the Web as 'Zero Carbing' where people aim to get ALL their nutrition from meat, fish and eggs. And I have been doing that since just after Xmas. I would much prefer to eat a wider range of foods, and when my guts recover enough, then I expect I will do so, but in the meantime, I find carnivory a sustainable option.

Hope that helps!

If you do a google search for 'zero carb', 'zero carb zen' and 'eat meat drink water' you will find quite a bit of info come up.

:)
Hi thank you, I will be googling
Thanks @Guzzler

and welcome @Valeria

I can't comment on Crohns I am afraid. Although I have known someone with it, and it was very difficult for them, they hadn't had any operations, but were heading that way. Very tricky managing it on a day to day basis.

My own experience is MUCH milder, and probably not at all comparable. But this is how it has gone for me:

Just before Xmas I got a bad tummy bug that kept coming back over Xmas and January. Not pleasant.
Trial and error led me to realise that while my guts had recovered from the tummy bug, they were still absurdly sensitive to fibre and only wanted to digest certain foods.

Things are slowly improving, but now (5 months later) I find myself able to digest meat, fish, eggs, cheese, some dairy, and a few small oddities like chocolate, potato and (bizarrely) nuts, without any problems at all. However fruit, veg and grains cause very unpleasant repercussions.

Faced with this, I spent a while researching what is known on the Web as 'Zero Carbing' where people aim to get ALL their nutrition from meat, fish and eggs. And I have been doing that since just after Xmas. I would much prefer to eat a wider range of foods, and when my guts recover enough, then I expect I will do so, but in the meantime, I find carnivory a sustainable option.

Hope that helps!

If you do a google search for 'zero carb', 'zero carb zen' and 'eat meat drink water' you will find quite a bit of info come up.

:)
hi, thank you, I will deffo ately be checking out the zero carb diets, I took everyday food pre diabetes for granted still, on wards and upwards, not going to let this get me down. It helps chatting to others who are going through it as well. Have a great weekend, I'm off to the butchers, he is about to become my best buddie :),
 

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Ok day one of the Zero Carb diet, pretty excited really, tempered with slight concern about cravings, but up for the challenge. Will give a weekly update :)
 

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Ok day one of the Zero Carb diet, pretty excited really, tempered with slight concern about cravings, but up for the challenge. Will give a weekly update :)

:)

Hope it goes well!

My own view is that while I may be ZC I am not trying to strictly obey any of the dogmatic rules that some people try to make up about ZC. It always happens, doesn't it? Any way of eating on the planet has someone hopping up and down and saying 'if you don't do it MY WAY then you are doing it WRONG!'

I really can't be bothered with that nonsense.
So I eat ZC as it suits me, and resist the dogma where I see it.

Enjoy your new way of eating. :D

Why not join us on this thread
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/what-have-you-eaten-today.75781/page-718
It is a low carb thread, and there is plenty of room for another ZCer. ;)
 

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Hi, my first time on this site so here goes - I have been struggling to manage both my Type 2 and Crohns conditions. Having had Crohns for over 30 years, undergoing 4 x Bowel Resections and various treatments including Humera and Infleximeb I was diagnosed with Type 2 last Christmas.

Managing diet with Crohns was ok, triggers being Pork and any vegetable and fruit with seeds, using Bile Salt meds, BUT these meds affect the way Gliclazide works for the T2. So have to make sure I take them 4 hours apart.

My big issue is where I cant eat most veg/fruit, and T2 diet calls for just that to help manage the blood sugar, is there ayone out there that has these 2 conditions and has managed to find a diet that helps manage both?

Thank you for reading even if you cant assist.
What a strong woman. Welcome to the forum. I will tag @daisy1 for some great info.
 

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@Valeria

Hello Valeria and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will try to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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