Under 20g of carbs a day????

[GrantGam]

Surely that assumes you replace carbs with protein...I've always eaten around a 100g protein even before diabetes. I've replaced the carbs with healthy fats.

No, there is no substitution of protein for the lack of carbs.

I don't seem to require any bolus insulin for protein providing that I am eating my usual amount of carbohydrates. As soon as I cut out the carbs (<30g or so per day) - I require a bolus for any protein eaten, at about half of that if it were a carbohydrate.

I think the reasoning for the above is some phenomenon called gluconeogenesis?

Long story short, considering I need to inject insulin regardless whether on a moderate carb diet or low carb diet - I'd chose the moderate diet to give me more choice. I'd consider LCHF at a level such as <20g per day if it meant no bolus injections, but unfortunately it doesn't so I'll stick to my tatties and pasta

I think my input to this thread is more or less void as I'm not diet and exercise controlled T2 so my points aren't entirely applicable.

 

[Lamont D]

No, there is no substitution of protein for the lack of carbs.

I don't seem to require any bolus insulin for protein providing that I am eating my usual amount of carbohydrates. As soon as I cut out the carbs (<30g or so per day) - I require a bolus for any protein eaten, at about half of that if it were a carbohydrate.

I think the reasoning for the above is some phenomenon called gluconeogenesis?

Long story short, considering I need to inject insulin regardless whether on a moderate carb diet or low carb diet - I'd chose the moderate diet to give me more choice. I'd consider LCHF at a level such as <20g per day if it meant no bolus injections, but unfortunately it doesn't so I'll stick to my tatties and pasta

I think my input to this thread is more or less void as I'm not diet and exercise controlled T2 so my points aren't entirely applicable.

The actual easy to understand glucogenesis is it provides glucose for your brain when you are in ketosis! So, your liver is doing its job to look after you.

If in ketosis, the amount of carbs can be very low until it kicks you out of ketosis!
So you might have been going through glucogenesis and you didn't know it!
Dawn phenomenon is actually quite close to glucogenesis.

The whole thing depends on your brain gut trigger.
And of course alpha and beta cells!

 

[phil1966]

I did it for the first 6 months after I was diagnosed (sometimes as low as 10g carbs)
This is a sample of my food for a day from that time:
Breakfast
Bacon, egg, pork and leek sausages (high meat content) and mushrooms

Lunch
Mixed Salad, cheese, chicken breast, mushrooms

Dinner
Poached egg, gammon steak, mushrooms, green beans

Snacks
Strip cheese, black coffee, no added sugar squash

Total carbs: 13

 

[Resurgam]

I do bolus for protein but have much better and stable bs than when I eat carbs. And I don't get hungry, achy, tired,etc. double bonus. And I need FAR less insulin so fears of hypos are minimal.

Those all sound amazing, especially the Moroccan lamb! Care to share the recipe? I know how to cook so probably just need the ingredients.
I've heard steamed cabbage is a great substitute for lasagna layers. Never tried it.
I batch cook too. Makes things so much easier. Tons of variety of proteins and veggies on hand at all times

Try splitting the outer tubes of leeks for the layers in lasagne - save the inners for wrapping cooked bacon round after steaming them, line up in an ovenproof dish to cool and refrigerate for lunch next day.