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Hi everybody, just seen an article in the news section which finished with the editor stating type 2 diabetes can be put into remission and all drugs stopped if you change your lifestyle.
I am not overweight, eat well and am fit, even if I eat nothing my liver will put my BG into double figures without meds/insulin. Statements like this just make people feel guilty that it is something they are doing that has caused the diabetes. I am sure for some people a lifestyle change will help for others it definitely won’t. I thought this website was better educated than this.
 
I think the operative word here is "can". If the diet/lifestyle changes worked for everyone, the article would say "will". Subtle difference, but crucial. There is no diet that works for everyone. That said, there are many members here who have found remission by following the methods recommended here. There are no guarantees though.
 
Kevrey said:
Hi everybody, just seen an article in the news section which finished with the editor stating type 2 diabetes can be put into remission and all drugs stopped if you change your lifestyle.
I am not overweight, eat well and am fit, even if I eat nothing my liver will put my BG into double figures without meds/insulin. Statements like this just make people feel guilty that it is something they are doing that has caused the diabetes. I am sure for some people a lifestyle change will help for others it definitely won’t. I thought this website was better educated than this.
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are you a type 2 on insulin? Can you link to the article please?
 
Hi @keveay, if you look in the success stories section you will see that many members have put their T2 into remission and come off meds. It does not, however, work for all.
 
Athletes who are not overweight and who eat a "healthy" diet can get diabetes too. There's a term for it, TOFI, "thin on the outside, fat on the inside". The first example that comes to mind is physician, author, and athlete Professor Timothy Noakes of South Africa who developed type 2 diabetes. Did anyone take the time to determine if you have a unique type of diabetes such as LADA (also referred to as type 1.5 and is autoimmune) or MODY (which is genetic and generational)?

Also curious as to what's your definition of a healthy diet for someone who has type 2 diabetes.

Learning how to manage diabetes is a bit of a learning curve, but you'll get good information and lots of support here.
 
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Another fit athlete that has Type 2 is Sir Steve Redgrave. He managed a shed load of gold medals.

I am also curious to know what your healthy diet consists of. If you give us an idea of what you eat in a typical day we may spot something that may not be as healthy for diabetics as you think.
 
Kevrey said:
Hi everybody, just seen an article in the news section which finished with the editor stating type 2 diabetes can be put into remission and all drugs stopped if you change your lifestyle.
I am not overweight, eat well and am fit, even if I eat nothing my liver will put my BG into double figures without meds/insulin. Statements like this just make people feel guilty that it is something they are doing that has caused the diabetes. I am sure for some people a lifestyle change will help for others it definitely won’t. I thought this website was better educated than this.
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You have stated elsewhere that you are a type 2 on insulin, so would you mind updating your profile and what shows up under you photo so others know this, it helps with responding appropriately with any advice, especially related to diet.

It is possible, for some people, with the input of your medical team, to reduce meds by reducing carb intake, but that must be done under medical supervision when someone is on insulin or other drugs which could give hypo's
 
Kevrey said:
Hi everybody, just seen an article in the news section which finished with the editor stating type 2 diabetes can be put into remission and all drugs stopped if you change your lifestyle.
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I read a lot of articles as well, but once I scratched beneath the surface, I realised I could have my cake and eat it as well (an expression, not figuratively) going LCHF.
Kevrey said:
Statements like this just make people feel guilty that it is something they are doing that has caused the diabetes. I am sure for some people a lifestyle change will help for others it definitely won’t. I thought this website was better educated than this.
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I have never felt guilty about ending up as a T2 diabetic, 'it happened.

As for being in remission, I have five hba1c readings in the 30's since going LCHF. If the hba1c test I had yesterday is the same level as the last one 34, I will ask my GP to come off Metformin to see if I hold my low levels with out it. Then we talk remission, all thanks to DCUK.
 
Sorry you feel like you do about DCUK @Kevrey . As has already been mentioned the operative word is 'can', and not 'will'.
Diabetes is a complex condition and folk on here are all managing it with a wide range of strategies and medications as well as dietary regimes. How we react to diet varies quite a lot as much depends on gut biome. However as a general rule a LCHF diet does improve blood glucose levels and can in many instances result in 'remission'.
I, like you, are not overweight and was once 'in remission' though have since found my BG escalating. And prior to diagnosis I led would would be regarded as a very healthy and active lifestyle and still do. There's nothing at all that I've read on DCUK that makes me feel guilty about developing diabetes - it just happened!
I think if you take some time to explore DCUK you'll discover that it is a very broad church and there's always someone around who will try to provide support for your specific problems.
I'm just really grateful to my GP who directed me to DCUK when she diagnosed mt diabetes.
 
Kevrey said:
Hi everybody, just seen an article in the news section which finished with the editor stating type 2 diabetes can be put into remission and all drugs stopped if you change your lifestyle.
I am not overweight, eat well and am fit, even if I eat nothing my liver will put my BG into double figures without meds/insulin. Statements like this just make people feel guilty that it is something they are doing that has caused the diabetes. I am sure for some people a lifestyle change will help for others it definitely won’t. I thought this website was better educated than this.
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I'm sorry to read you feel like this. As has been mentioned this really is an individual thing and how each of us deal with it.
Having said that I'm pretty sure I don't eat anything that will put my BG's into double figures as I don't take meds as it would scare me more than I can say.
Take your time, read around the forum, there's loads to read and ask questions, the folks round here are very supportive.
 
Me too - if I eat nothing then my liver 'helpfully' releases glucose - so I eat a 10 gm of carb meal first thing to stop it and then I eat again in the evening.
It is necessary to study how the time of day, food, exercise, fasting, and possibly alcohol affect the body - but it can be possible to effectively negate type two diabetes.
The article you read is a simple statement of fact - I would very much doubt that the intention was to make anyone feel guilty, more to give hope to those who have a GP like mine. Watch out for that description 'eat well' it is a disaster for anyone unable to cope with carbs.
 
Sounds to me like your interpretation of the article hit a sore spot. Having an option presented to you that does work for many that you haven’t employed can induce guilt. But it is misplaced guilt if you haven’t been told about it or been given the information and support (which if you’re on insulin you’d need for sure) from your dr. The continuing blame fest in the media doesn’t help any either.

Many type 2 have reduced or even stopped insulin and other meds by reducing carbs. That’s a fact. Will it work for everyone that tries it, nope but it’s worth a try, and definitely worth knowing about as an option. And any failure to work may be about the life choices required rather than the medical responses btw.

Eating well is a matter of opinion. What’s currently advised for the general population and even widely for diabetics is in fact not good for type 2, but a frightening proportion of these diabetics genuinely believe the eat starchy carbs and low fat story because that’s what drs and media have told them. And if you don’t eat at all of course your liver will dump glucose. That’s it’s job. You need to eat. But eat the right things.

Please take a good look around the forum before you right the whole idea off. Including the following pages
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blog/jokalsbeek.401801/
And https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/success-stories-and-testimonials.43/ to show it really works
 
And some type2s don't produce insulin.... after a while. So will still need insulin, no matter their diet. Even a low carb one.

Watch out your blinkers aren't causing the same ignorance you detest?
OP does have a point. Don't you think?

We are all different. :)
 
ickihun said:
And some type2s don't produce insulin.... after a while. So will still need insulin, no matter their diet. Even a low carb one.

Watch out your blinkers aren't causing the same ignorance you detest?
OP does have a point. Don't you think?

We are all different. :)
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We have all said it won’t work for everyone. But it does work for a lot. Watch out your personal experience isn’t causing blinkers you detest.
 
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I read a lot of articles as well, but once I scratched beneath the surface, I realised I could have my cake and eat it as well (an expression, not figuratively) going LCHF.
I have never felt guilty about ending up as a T2 diabetic, 'it happened.

As for being in remission, I have five hba1c readings in the 30's since going LCHF. If the hba1c test I had yesterday is the same level as the last one 34, I will ask my GP to come off Metformin to see if I hold my low levels with out it. Then we talk remission, all thanks to DCUK.
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Nice story.
 
We also have to be mindful that many people who have been told they have type2, have a different type of diabetes. Likewise, there are no logical reasons someone can't have more than one type of diabetes.
 
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We also have to be mindful that many people who have been told they have type2, have a different type of diabetes. Likewise, there are no logical reasons someone can't have more than one type of diabetes.
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That’s very true and sadly happens too often. And probably why it doesn’t work in some instances.

Still doesn’t make the discussed article wrong as it’s specifically discussing type 2 or blaming of individuals for their condition.
 
Kevrey said:
Hi everybody, just seen an article in the news section which finished with the editor stating type 2 diabetes can be put into remission and all drugs stopped if you change your lifestyle.
I am not overweight, eat well and am fit, even if I eat nothing my liver will put my BG into double figures without meds/insulin. Statements like this just make people feel guilty that it is something they are doing that has caused the diabetes. I am sure for some people a lifestyle change will help for others it definitely won’t. I thought this website was better educated than this.
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If that is the case then it may well be worth pushing your GP for some further tests (C-peptide for one) to find out if you are under producing or over producing insulin so you can get a correct diagnosis.
I was a classic T2 diabetic on diagnosis.. morbidly obese and obviously extremely insulin resistant but by changing what I ate I lost weight pretty effortlessly and put T2 into remission without medication so it certainly can be done.
However if you are under producing endogenous insulin then your diagnosis could well be incorrect and therefoe you could be on the incorrect treatment path.
 
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We have all said it won’t work for everyone. But it does work for a lot. Watch out your personal experience isn’t causing blinkers you detest.
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I don't detest ignorance. I pity it.
I see so many angry posts. Comments made out of frustration.
I think many would benefit from psychotheraphy.
Ive learned to let go. Yes, my experience of having a psychologist enlighten me has made me see all critism isn't helpful. Only some.
Sometimes the posts are very negative and not everyone is as hard faced as me. It plays on their mind and can do some harm.

I have posted when I'm annoyed but only annoyed at an ignorant post about ignorance.

There is a saying that "you should remove the splinter in your own eye before attempting to remove a plank from someone else's!"

I just find critical posts not very helpful.
Yes. My personal experience tells me that. I'd like to think some of my experiences encourage wisdom. Not constant critism.

If I was such an expert then I wouldn't still have type2 since posters believe, I have acquired it from fat. When many experts are saying insulin resistance causes weight gain.
Weight gain on top of weight gain causes obesity problems.

Some babies are being born obese due to bad diet and insulin not managed correctly by the mother.
That baby hasn't been ignorant nor stupid.

Many kids in the UK are having dietician support stopped. Why?
Because the nhs are hoping parents are learning about keeping to a healthy weight and are passing it on.
Genetically if a specific diet suits the adults. (in my case... Low fat/low carb) then it could benefit the children.
Although my kids rely on others to fed them in school times.

I think personal experience makes us who we are but deciding not to read negative comments on your favourite forum is everyone's right. Not being afraid to say that shouldn't even have to come into it.
Many leave because of excessive negativity when they are seeking support not condamnation.
Sorry but true. Fact, not my opinion but from PMs I've received in the past from very supportive members who felt if they spoke up they would be ostracized. So they leave instead. I know they looked to me to speak for them but I didn't want to enjoy the forum that way. I believe we are all entitled to give our support, speaking for ourselves. I never encourage gang mentality.
 
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