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Vitamins D3, K2 and Type 2 Diabetes.

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments' started by Barryandjohn, Nov 4, 2016.

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  1. Barryandjohn

    Barryandjohn · Newbie

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    Hi

    I posted a thread earlier in the year but cant seem to find it now so I'll do a new one.

    I was diagnosed as Type 2 Diabetic last year and due to all medications making me ill I was put in insulin. My HbA1C rose from 56 to 71.

    After doing a lot of research and discovering reports from Spain, Italy and Israel that there is a link between lack of vitamin D3 and type 2 diabetes I started taking vitamin D3 back in May.

    The doctor was adamant I could not and would not come off insulin and said that I should not take too high a level of D3. So I stopped taking the insulin, boosted my intake of D3 to 30,000 ius a day and took vitamin K2. I also went on a diet of eat what you like as long as the daily total does not exceed 1200 calories. And do it right, that is a lot of food. Carbs were cut right back.

    Within a month / six weeks my HbA1C had fallen back to 56 and my daily check on blood sugars levels was way under ten.

    Four months on my latest HbA1C is 41! I am no longer classed as diabetic. The retina damaged detected last year has healed itself and I am feeling better than I ever have in a long time. My weight has come done by 19 kilos / 40 lbs and my waist is down from 42 to 32!

    So, take responsibility for what you eat. Take advise from your doctor always but take the D3 and K2 if not at the levels I was on (I am back to 10,000 ius a day now) and see if you too can cut your blood sugar levels back to normal.
     
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    #1 Barryandjohn, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:49 PM
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  2. asparagusp

    asparagusp · Guest

    The maximum and safe dosage of Vitamin D3 is 2000 iu .....
     
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    #2 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:03 PM
  3. Pasha

    Pasha Prediabetes · Expert

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    Can you back up your statement re max safe dosage of 2000iu/day with reliable references ?
     
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    #3 Pasha, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM
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    #4 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM
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    #5 serenity648, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM
  6. Brunneria

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    Those sources do not take into account the importance of vit K2 and its relationship with Vit D.
    Actually, in this day and age, for any supposedly professional body to give out information on D without talking about K2 at the same time is tantamount to being criminally negligent. In my humble opinion.

    The important thing is the relationship between K2 and D3. Vit D is only 'unwise' in large quantities in the absence of sufficient K2.

    It is also incongruous to quote 2,000iu/day as an upper limit when doctors regularly prescribe much larger amounts.

    This source gives a much more rounded view. Well worth the hour + it takes to watch.



    Personally I found it took a year of supplementing 10,000iu/day + K2 to rectify my Vit D deficiency, at which point I dialled it back to a maintenance dose of 2,000iu/day + sunlight +K2
     
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    #6 Brunneria, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:48 PM
  7. amber22

    amber22 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    In July 2013 I was found to have severe vitamin D deficiency.
    I was prescribed 60,000 I.U. vitamin D3 capsules per day for 5 days followed by 20,000 I.U per fortnight for 8 weeks.
     
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    #7 amber22, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:59 PM
  8. asparagusp

    asparagusp · Guest

    #8 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:07 PM
  9. asparagusp

    asparagusp · Guest

    Through the NHS? .....
     
    #9 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:11 PM
  10. amber22

    amber22 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes my NHS GP prescribed it but it was not a normal prescription and had to be ordered in.
    Each capsule was 20,000 I.U.
     
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    #10 amber22, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:13 PM
  11. asparagusp

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    That would cost the NHS a lot of money! Anyway what do you mean by a normal prescription?
     
    #11 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:16 PM
  12. asparagusp

    asparagusp · Guest

    PS Was it Vitamin D3 or D2 that was prescribed? Huge difference.
     
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    #12 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:27 PM
  13. amber22

    amber22 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Please refer to my earlier post on this thread, #7
     
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    #13 amber22, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:29 PM
  14. asparagusp

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    oops - sorry!
     
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    #14 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:02 PM
  15. Liam1955

    Liam1955 Type 2 · Master

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    I was found to be lacking in Vit D months ago whilst having blood test to find out what type of Arthritis I have in my Lower Spine. And I was prescribed on prescription Vit D3 (Cholecalciferol) drops 4 a day by Rheumatologist.
     
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  16. Nicksu

    Nicksu Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My sister was prescribed 10,000iu day units when she was vitamin D deficient.
     
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    Nicksu Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The interesting bit was when I went to the doctors the last time and mentioned about getting a supplement for vitamin D3 (which was recommended by my MG consultant because as he said "most of us living in the UK likely are deficient") I got a very blank look! Very worrying when this was supposed to be the diabetes doctor!
     
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    #17 Nicksu, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:19 PM
  18. asparagusp

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    I know maybe 600 but not any more than that as a rule.
     
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    #18 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 6:11 PM
  19. asparagusp

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    Sugar as it were. That's a lot!
     
    #19 asparagusp, Nov 4, 2016 at 6:14 PM
  20. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Expert

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    Err @Nicksu If you are on preds for MG as I am you should be prescribed Adcal+D3 daily and possibly Alandronic Acid which is taken weekly as I am.you should also be on a stomach protector.

    John
     
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    #20 JohnEGreen, Nov 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM
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