Vlc Diet, Falling Glucose, Then Spike Up

[Susan1 2]

So, if one is following a very low calorie diet (being unable to obtain the liquid meal replacements for to do the Newcastle Diet, using "regular" food that is low and no carb and veggie heavy), and after several weeks of slowly falling fasting blood glucose measurements, what would cause the glucose reading to spike back up? The person in question had started to have fasting levels that were very close to the non-diabetes range (close to 100), and then they popped back up to the 130s with no appreciable change in diet.

Is this an indication that the liver is dumping stored sugar, or....?

 

[Deleted Account]

Is the spike a short term (minutes/ a couple of hours) or is the BG raised for a longer period of time (half day/multiple days)?

I ask because there are many things which affect our BG not just what we eat.
If we get stressed, our BG rises.
If we do less exercise, our BG rises.
If we get ill, our BG rises.
Some drugs cause our BG to rise.
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[Resurgam]

I saw the same thing just doing low carb. After some weeks of steady readings I was suddenly getting erratic results - but after a couple of weeks more numbers began to go down much further than I'd seen before and dropped down to under 8 mmol/l all the time.
My thoughts are that it is a natural response to being released from the error of high carb, and as it was the start of weightloss - I'm pretty sure it must have started about then, it indicates a return to normality rather than anything sinister.

 

[Susan1 2]

This would be first thing in the morning levels. Would love to know from a professional or para-professional, not able to find anything online about this. We are in week 4 of an 800-900 a day diet. Morning sugar had been dropping slowly, then suddenly now is up and all over the place first thing in the morning. No illness, extra stress, etc. Basically, nothing external has changed.

 

[Susan1 2]

I saw the same thing just doing low carb. After some weeks of steady readings I was suddenly getting erratic results - but after a couple of weeks more numbers began to go down much further than I'd seen before and dropped down to under 8 mmol/l all the time.
My thoughts are that it is a natural response to being released from the error of high carb, and as it was the start of weightloss - I'm pretty sure it must have started about then, it indicates a return to normality rather than anything sinister.

Thanks. Perhaps that's it?

 

[Mbaker]

I don't think you will be able to get a definite answer, especially as it is likely that that medical markers such as bloods and lipids were not taken before and during for comparison. Whilst it might sound like a cop out not to offer an answer the technical data would probably provide an indication.

What I can offer is that although I followed low GI, LCHF / Keto, I can remember non-linear unexplainable variances - I think this is true of any protocol that is followed. Just take sleep or a mild cold or stress for example in the system, these all can a do effect blood sugars and weight. I would try and rope in my Doctor and get some tests just to ensure all is fine, then I would ensure what I did at the start I continue with.

 

[Brunneria]

Would love to know from a professional or para-professional, not able to find anything online about this.

Hi, I am sure you are aware of this already, but none of us on the forum are able to speak in a professional capacity.

However, what we can often do is speak from very extensive personal experience. Many of us have been managing our own diabetes for a long time.

I would suggest that you have a Google for Dawn Phenomenon and have a read of threads on the forum about people who have done the 800 calorie diets (Newcastle and Michael Moseley’s 800 cal diet).

But after all that, the reality is that when we lower out blood glucose (and lose weight) by dietary means, it is our own unique bodies that dictate what happens. And things are often neither predictable, nor linear.
Wish they were! But they just aren’t.

 

[Susan1 2]

Hi. Thanks, am familiar with the Dawn Effect, and the Somogyi Phenomenon (it's probably more the latter, if anything). Unfortunately, we don't have easy access to a doctor. That was more a wishful thinking comment, rather than asking if a doctor was on the board. Also don't think it's "regular" type 2, due to other issues and the fact that it started in teen years, but again, no way to prove that at present. We'll see what things are like in 4 more weeks, I guess! The weight is coming off.