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Was in hospital last week Ketoacidosis..now?

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I tried brown rice and my 2hr pp numbers were low. However, after 3 hours they were through the roof. I now just avoid the sugary/starchy things altogether. It’s helped tremendously.
 
@miffli

Hello Miffli and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will come and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
cut the carbs mate. all grains are bad news. research low carb foods you must understand all carbs including good ones are bad news.
 
Oh wow!! I have been out a week and have no been able to get my sugars down, i did have a snack whilst waiting for dinner- unsalted nut mix, dinner was chicken with cabbage, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, a small amount of runny gravy- (cabbage juices) and I just checked my sugars and they are 12.8 which is the lowest they have been over the last week +.i really am quite shocked yet really happy that i can see them going down..finally! Thank you so much, for once i listened to a forum and NOT my diabetic nurse!

I am still quite thirsty and tired though, if anyone has any ideas please let me know..you are all so awesome, my OH is also very relieved, he thinks it is amazing.
 
A nice salty broth may help with the thirst. Drink plenty of water.

Funny you should say that because I was craving salt at dinner time and had a good sprinkling, i am now on my 3rd litre of bottled water today, not sure if this is enough but seem to be spending a lot of time running back and forth.
 
If you have some stock cubes (not low salt!) have one in a mug of hot water and repeat a few times. (Marmite also works)

It is very likely your salt is low due to drinking a lot of water.

In the unlikely event that you have access to bone broth, it is better than the stock cubes, provided you add as much salt as you are happy with to it. (The bone broth contains other types of salts that come out of the bones.)

Your potassium is also like to be low due to drinking so much water, you get potassium from eating meat. PS keep drinking the water!
 
Hi. This sudden rise in blood glucose after a few years of well controlled supposed type 2 diabetes resulted in my being finally correctly diagnosed as type 1.5 after I pushed for antibody testing . Worth a thought. Cheers and just be confident that by being proactive and with the advice from this forum and your medical team it will all come good. Leeanne
 
That's very interesting, I am going to my gp tomorrow so shall bring this up....Thank you.
I took Nytol last night so am up late, still wondering why my sugars are high first thing each day..16.3 mmol ..oh well.
 
That's very interesting, I am going to my gp tomorrow so shall bring this up....Thank you.
I took Nytol last night so am up late, still wondering why my sugars are high first thing each day..16.3 mmol ..oh well.

A lot of people find that the fasting BG takes longest to settle down.
Once you have your readings during the day nicely sorted out then your overnight readings should hopefully come down as well.

So pleased that your BG is coming down.
 
Oh wow!! I have been out a week and have no been able to get my sugars down, i did have a snack whilst waiting for dinner- unsalted nut mix, dinner was chicken with cabbage, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, a small amount of runny gravy- (cabbage juices) and I just checked my sugars and they are 12.8 which is the lowest they have been over the last week +.i really am quite shocked yet really happy that i can see them going down..finally! Thank you so much, for once i listened to a forum and NOT my diabetic nurse!

I am still quite thirsty and tired though, if anyone has any ideas please let me know..you are all so awesome, my OH is also very relieved, he thinks it is amazing.
I'm so happy!
Keep at it, those 12s will soon be 6s. :) :) :)
 
Lowering carbs can result in a greater than usual loss of electrolytes, you are losing more water too so a bit of compensating is needed. It settles down after a while, as a rule.
As you have been eating quite high carb it might take a while to get over that, so don't think that you are bound to need insulin injections before fewer carbs have time to change things. My whole metabolism has shifted in the 13 months since diagnosis. So much more energy, feeling younger too.
 
I wish I could get rid of this tummy ache though, it feels like it is twisted, on fire and hard and i feel sick and am very bloated and tender with the usual acid reflux. Today has been ok but not wonderful, strangely after being so high in the morning, i went down to 16.1 before breakfast and after i went to 17 and that was after having bacon and eggs- and i am not a lover of bacon at all, i have been use to burgen soya and linseed bread with marmite!, took my tablets after and before dinner i was 12.8 and two hours after 13.9 -10 minutes ago which is much better than it was but then i did go for a short walk. I would love to feel anything but death warmed up tbh, i am somehow convinced the future is not very bright..
 
I wish I could get rid of this tummy ache though, it feels like it is twisted, on fire and hard and i feel sick and am very bloated and tender with the usual acid reflux. Today has been ok but not wonderful, strangely after being so high in the morning, i went down to 16.1 before breakfast and after i went to 17 and that was after having bacon and eggs- and i am not a lover of bacon at all, i have been use to burgen soya and linseed bread with marmite!, took my tablets after and before dinner i was 12.8 and two hours after 13.9 -10 minutes ago which is much better than it was but then i did go for a short walk. I would love to feel anything but death warmed up tbh, i am somehow convinced the future is not very bright..

High blood sugars + sickness is a sign of DKA. Do you have a means of testing for ketones? If so, you should check for ketones. If not, you should ring 111 for advice.
 
I so wanted to pack up so started on the Champix (beware) some 6 weeks ago, this is where my problems started, I started to become light headed and irritable, could not think straight, wanted the "reward" so to speak and ended up with a terrible thirst I could not stop due to eating chocolate and such. Before I went into hospital I was drinking lemonade, cider, milkshakes, tonic water and just about anything to quench my thirst, in the end i was sucking on packets of orange flavoured ice lollies at 6am and did not even know where I was.

Are you still taking this medication? If so do you think it's the cause of your problems?
 
Are you still taking this medication? If so do you think it's the cause of your problems?

No, I came off the champix some 2 weeks ago, just before i ended up in hospital, strange, i had dinner tonight and an hour later i felt hungry again but still have acid even after taking omeprazole..
 
I wish I could get rid of this tummy ache though, it feels like it is twisted, on fire and hard and i feel sick and am very bloated and tender with the usual acid reflux. Today has been ok but not wonderful, strangely after being so high in the morning, i went down to 16.1 before breakfast and after i went to 17 and that was after having bacon and eggs- and i am not a lover of bacon at all, i have been use to burgen soya and linseed bread with marmite!, took my tablets after and before dinner i was 12.8 and two hours after 13.9 -10 minutes ago which is much better than it was but then i did go for a short walk. I would love to feel anything but death warmed up tbh, i am somehow convinced the future is not very bright..
Changing to a low carb diet is known often to cure reflux! It worked for me. I had had really troublesome reflux problems literally for years, with two endoscopies, the second of which discovered a small ulcer high up in my digestive system. I could never lie on my side in bed as that started the heartburn off straight away. Now I can lie any way I fancy. I was always bloated, much less so now. If I ate after 4pm I was in danger of suffering all night and broccoli, sprouts etc really upset me. Now I can safely eat broccoli at 8pm!!! I had Rennies stashed all over the house, in my handbag, my gym bag etc. A few weeks after starting low carb I suddenly realised that I had forgotten all about them. Nowadays I get just a very rare slight twinge of heartburn, take a Rennie straight away, and it's gone. When I started gradually lowering my carb intake I had no idea it might help my indigestion.

Like you, I was fond of a very different way of eating. These changes are very hard at first, but it's amazing how one adapts, and believe me the hard effort is SO worthwhile. I'm glad you are seeing your doctor soon. Since sodium AND potassium are both important, and as a result of eating lower carb you might be consuming less potassium, you might like to buy some Lo-salt. This is one third sodium and two thirds potassium and is used just like ordinary salt. But best consult your doctor first.

This is likely your lowest point. From here it's all upward and onward!
 
Hello all,
I was in hospital last with with supposed ketoacidosis?-hyperglycemia, when i went in there was nothing to measure my blood sugars, after two large pumped syringes via cannula my sugars came down to 56mmol, discharged Friday. Now I have been taking gliclazide 40mg twice per day though took it three times to get my sugars down, and now am having metformin 80mg once in the morning for a week then twice daily.

Today I had porridge for breakfast, took my tablets and 2 hours later am still 30 mmol, it has been really difficult getting them down under 15mmol since i came out of hospital but i really should eat but nothing is working, before this, if I was 7 mmol that was high for me and for the last 3-4 years. oh, my last HBA1C test in August was 53.

I saw my gp and nurse the other day and was told if my bloods go over 30 mmol again to call 111 and ask for advice, I am drinking like gallons of spring water which should bring them down. Has anyone else had this issue and had problems getting their sugars down to normal again? it's just that if i have say, wholegrain toast/burgen with poached eggs my sugars do not rise like the porridge, and then what do i have for dinner because no matter what i eat sends me through the roof again... it has got to the point that i dare not eat for the worry of them going above 30 again. any advice really welcome please.
Ditch the porridge, which will readily create blood glucose.
Eat eggs with some ham or pepperoni for breakfast. Basically, completely avoid any cereals (including anything containing wheat, rice, barley or corn), take the Metformin and you should be OK.
 
With having a raging thirst i think that insulin may be the best thing for now and can you check for keytones to see if you have any, if you do not have anything to check them with then ring 111 and ask for advice. If you find you have keytones then do not exercise as this can make them go higher. Your BS could be down to illness, burnout or your body getting used to the medication which means it may not be working as well as it did. I do not think you can wait till next week as the impact is now with the thirst, sleeping and i would think going to the toilet more often, as has been posted this is a very dangerous having keytones. I have had them myself a few times and they can stay in the system for 24-48 hours after they are under control. If it was me i would be on the safe side and get checked out asap and i hope you do and feel better soon
 
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